To scam or not to scam

that's actually not very cool, he could very well have been a legit player, and NO orestealing is NOT a pirate-thing, it's a thief-thing. Thieves are worthless, don't pretend to be a pirate when all you are is actually a common thief. Breaking a promise like that is bad when you have no proof that he was a macrominer, jsut because he had a number in his name... shame on you...

Yeah man, that's just fucking uh..stupid. Shame on you.

That is like letting someone pay a ransom and telling them they did not specify how long they were able to keep their ship.


Should never break an agreement like that

'I didn't specify .... how long I would never steal again for'

How do you even manage to undock with the mental defects that writing that sentence would have required?

The thing about pirates that makes them kinda cool is they're supposed to have their own brand of twisted honor. Thieves, too, generally. I don't know what category to put this in. Scumbag?

That sucks. If you had no intention of letting him be safe for a decent amount of time for just 5 million, then you should have asked for more.

Given how you guys on here are always preaching about being honourable, a sermon that usually comes with a list of rules that ALWAYS includes not going back on ransoms, it just makes the efforts of the rest of the honourable people on eve-pirate worthless. Shame on you - you don't belong on this board.

You're a thief and a bad one at that. You and the miner had an agreement and you broke it. Come on, anyone with half a brain would have understood that the agreement was for more than five minutes. You should have just kept on stealing. For thieves (and pirates) - there is very little in the way of honour but keeping your word should be one of them.

What you did was not cool and you don't belong on this board. Some very cool people here who make EVE fun and challenging. You're *not* one of them.

I think this is kinda weak actually. If you thought it was a macro miner you shouldnt have answered to his offer and keep on stealing. Or accept his offer and leave. But not that. And yeah, probably it was an alt.

There is a nice way to discover that, by people and places and then search. for bigmouse/bigmouse1/bigmouse2/bigmouse3. But this is just weak. I mean, Im mining sometimes to in an Osprey. I dont have the skills for good containers so I just jettison them. Ive sometimes like 20 cans around me. That doesnt say Im a macro miner.

I'm gonna side with Freaky on this one. Even if Bigmouse2 *wasn't* a macro-miner, he's fair game. You don't always get what you pay for. Don't pay ore thieves, blow them up.

weak just weak... you basicly broke your word so in my view the deed was lame.

So if you have a number in your name and you're mining, you're a macroer? lol

Nexa Necis: as have been pointed out your logic is seriously flawed.

I can only assume the pirate community will hunt you down.

This has to be the lamest eve-pirate.com story I have ever read.

You suck dude.

don't worry, he will be dealth with, can't have rogue thieves running around giving all pirates a bad name... time for some thief hunting, watch your back thief!

Nah, nuggans boasting about killing t1 frigates in his af's still take the cake.

oh no i best not get caught mining....i'll have all the anti macro miners after me! dude you really are lame, you make a deal you stick to it.

Just ruins it for other pirates. If people feel the agreements they make to ransom with pirates are worthless, there's no point in paying them, and then all you are doing is fighting all the time.

It's a stupid strategy long-term for a measly 5 million isk.

You, sir, are not a pirate, but just a lowly griefer. Going back on your word like that gives other pirates bad name, and that nitpicking about wording of your agreement does not make it right - it just makes you look stupid.

yer man ur real lame, he was probably legit

"ill never steal again"

doesnt require a timelimit dumbass

You're thieving scum... however you're my kind of scum (bonus points if you get the reference).

he didn't sound like a macro miner, in that he responded, like the anon above me said, he was likely legit. however, space pirates don't need to specifically target macroers. i don't agree with you're methods, but i do think it's funny (ish).

OMG!! a pirate went back on his word!!

He is a pirate, as in a criminal - he can do what he damn well pleases.

Someone already said what I think You don't always get what you pay for. Don't pay ore thieves, blow them up.

BTW pirates are suppose to have a bad name.

Guess I'm in the minority here, I thought it was hillarious.

"Actually I did promise to never steal again but I didn't specify who I wouldn't steal from or for how long I would never steal again for."

I like that logic.

#20 sounds like one of those mentally disturbed Malka followers.

Anway, glad to see most people here dislike acts like this.

lame

you only destroy your own market by not 110% keeping your word even if timeframe wasnt specified.
prudent thing would have been to let him mine in peace and the next day ask for more isk.

id be rich if i got 1 isk for every lame idiot n00b person calling themselves pirates nowadays.

I think a lot of people who have written here are confused with the romantic (Hollywood) vision of pirates. Pirates were murderers, thieves, oathbreakers; they generally would do anything to get what they wanted, not caring who suffered. I also hate the bloody spammers, so them suffering makes me feel good but since there’s no confirmation that the guy was a spammer "meh".

If you call yourself a pirate at least has the sense to know what that _really_ means.

so becoz theres a number in his name he's a mm? what you did was just lame and out of order. Remind me to pod you if i ever see you

That was hilarious! I mean all the replies, not so much the story it self. As Gregor Maklinsky said, Pirates are bad people. But they're just so [url=http://maddox.xmission.com]cool[/url].

People here don't seem to understand how macro miners or isk pharmers operate.

Just because he convos me does not disqualify him from being a macro/pharmer. Just because he curses at me doesn't exclude him either.

I will explain though why I feel he is a pharmer. There is no one definitive reason, but there are several things that make me think this.

1. The accounts involved with him were all created within minutes of each other. Not uncommon, but a signal in my book in either case.

2. Some of the names he's involved with are very strange. His hauler was named FSEWEWWWEWE or something very similar. This is also quite prevalent amongst the macro/pharmer crowd.

3. On both accounts that were mining he sat and kept transferring ore into his can as I sat and moved it to mine. Meaning if he had 10k worth of Veld or something in his can. I pull up and take 9999 of it and put it in one of my cans leaving a single piece of ore in his can. I then sit there for a few minutes until I can jettison another can and go to the next victim. During that time he keeps putting ore in his can like clockwork. Any semi-intelligent person with a shred of common sense would stop transfering ore to a can that is obviously being robbed repeatedly.

Would you sit and dump 10k M3 of ore into a can while someone stole it right in front of you? I highly doubt it.

When I went to the next belt I found his "friend". I repeat the can swapping process. Again, he kept dumping ore into the can as I took each batch. This went on about 10 minutes as the first can I took from him got very full and my hauler had to make 3 trips to clean it all up. I find it hard to believe that a sane person would do this. However this behavior is very common with pharmers as I think their macro programs keep dumping ore until the can fills up then they bring in their hauler to clean up. But if the can doesn't get full and they aren't paying attention, you can sit and take ore non-stop. One night I got 200 ice doing this. The macro crew didn't even notice until an hour later!

I don't know about you but if I was a miner and someone stole my ore I wouldn't keep mining for an hour while they kept taking it the whole time. I would either leave the system, log for a bit, or switch to a combat ship or something other than to keep on mining for the person taking it.

So are you saying all these people I steal from who have all these traits are basically idiots with no common sense? Their behavior is inexplicable to me.

Every actual real player I've stolen from does the complete opposite of this. They shout, "THIEF" in local non-stop, they convo or evemail me various threats and call me names, they certainly don't continue to mine as I steal it. They usually leave and go somewhere else or they wait for their corp to come help, or they get in a fighting ship and come for revenge.

I've robbed a TON of people. I've yet to see a macroer do any of that. The only thing I see them do is leave the belt. Sometimes they just warp to the next belt and start mining again. Or they go one system over and mine. They only do that after I sit and steal from them for 30mins straight. A few that know me from experience will leave the system as soon as they see I am in it though. Again though, that's only after repeatedly stealing from them for months on end.

Now if they are pharmers, they probably don't care about revenge or anything like most people do. They want isk to sell. I am nothing but a thorn in their side. Sure I may take 10million in ore from them, but they make that back in an hour easily when I am not around.

Ransoming is no different sometimes. If you ransom a guy and see him an hour later, do you let him go or ransom him again? It depends on your style of play really. When I ransom someone, I let them go, but if I find them a little later, it's a whole new encounter in my book. I don't worry about extorting macroers because I don't count them as actual players. I know no one can really ever prove 100% who is a macro/pharmer and who isn't, but hey such is life. We all have our own opinions of course.

Some liked this story, most hated it, either way I am pleased to see so many reactions to it. I do find it odd that people assume such odd stuff. I never said that because he has a number in his name that it makes him a macroer.

I agree with the notion that pirates are not always classy, fun-loving, easy-giong, forgiving, tolerant and fair. Pirates are bad people. Some worse than others. That's what makes this game so good. It caters to all styles of play.

I wonder if this story has the record for the most negative karma rating?

If all these things are true you really should specify some of the traits they possesed that made you deem them macro'ers. The way you told/wrote the story it sounded much more like you were annoying people playing the game in a legal way.

I really don't understand the chorus of whiners here. Sure, actions like this make it harder for other pirates, but so what? Those other pirates are making it hard for all sorts of players every day. You don't like it when the balance is tipped against you? Welcome to EVE. The whole One True Conception of a Pirate thing is getting out of hand. What Nexa did stinks, sure. But don't try and pretend there's some kind of vast moral difference between that and more conventional acts of piracy.

(Oh, and Nexa---maybe he was a macro-miner, maybe he wasn't. Who cares?)

Actually, pirates were nothing more than thieves on boats. You guys aren't pirates by definition, more like just PVPers.

Great stuff! now go stalk him for a week or sp :D

Hah! I actually think this is pretty funny. I have also learned a lesson about negotiating with Pirates.

And you pies wonder why fewer and fewer are paying randsoms

funny sparetime pirates... i always have a good laught when reading such stories and comments.

Get ready for the next installment. I found out one of the macro crews made a new corp up so I promptly war dec'd them.

I've been having fun with them so much and I am only 2 days into the first week of the war. :)

Hehe, you folks are funny to talk about a sense of honour.

There is no honour amongst thieves. And yes, you 'rats are thieves too, don't gimme the crap you usually spout.

But hey, pirating and thieving are a way of life on EVE, just as valid a way to make ISK as mining, ratting or manufacturing. So heh, no complaints there from me. Just dun try to take the high road when really, you're all on the low road. :P

As for folks who stick around after paying ransoms... duh! Take your damaged ship, or half full ore container, and get the heck outta there. If they stick around... their own dumb faults when they have their ship blown out from under them, or their ore pilfered right in front of their eyes.