In mother russia, complexes farm you!

Inflation works oddly in Eve as compared to other games. The basic items stay at the same price and get even lower since nobody is actually buying them in quantity . Higher skilled players won't buy them at all and lots of them drop.

The more popular named items increase in price significantly, just like the better T2 items and faction items. Minerals too, have increased in price. Most noticably Tritanium, which has gone from 1.5 isk to 2.1 isk (direct sale price just about anywhere) in the past 10 months.

Eutectic Cap rechargers for example have gone up a million or 2 in price just in the last two months (since the Cap Recharger IIs have gone up too, now there's a monopoly).

As more and more players gain SP and ISK, the better items will go up in price and cause inflation. The basic items still allow new players to afford most ships.

Kali will bring a lot of interesting twists to the economy most likely. The ingame auctions that will replace Escrow will cause some price corrections, but like eBay will mean a higher price in general for items that you used to be able to find a little cheaper. The reason for this is that currently people who use escrow globally can only see less than half a day's worth of items on the escrow market. It's flooded, and anything that has been on escrow longer can't be seen unless you're in the region or system itself. With better visibility, prices will go up.

On the other hand, I believe that the ability to turn research points into BPCs will cause a decrease in price for a number of T2 items. At least temporarily once people work through their built-up stack of research points. Still, I wouldn't invest in a T2 BPO now unless it's a good one. Instead, I'd wait for a few weeks after Kali, as I expect prices to come down in the short run.

Expect Mercoxit (and it's mineral) to go up in price too.

Anyway... this exploit explains the amount of complex faction loot on the market.

while i was in ascn they used a roster... when your corp wanted to run the complex u mssged some dude that handled the timetable and u were given a time and day. Than u better be there with enough ppl. all loot went to the alliance and bountys were for the corp... dunno if its still like that but it seems like a honest system to me.

Yes, I've heard of this aswell. It'd be weird if someone could abuse their own timetable system.

So I'd put two thumbs up for ASCN.

Could anyone verify if the exploit has been fixed? CCP says one thing, but other people say some are still abusing it as of today.

so... what of the hundreds of players that fight tooth and nail vs these exploiting alliances? (coalition)

the ppl that lose system after system because they cant keep up w/ the capital ships the exploiting party can field?(ERA)

months and months of intense gameplay and teamwork will not be able to overcome flat out free money by the dozens of billions. we can fight as hard as we can, but we can defeat an endless pit of tech II ships/mods, capital ships, hundreds of pos towers and hired mercenaries on a massive scale (goon? imp?)

feel free to flame me to hell.... but you cant compete in a game when the other side is cheating on this scale. no matter the game, its no contest, and a flat out failure on the behalf of CCP

I agree with bob. The exploit causes havoc on more levels then just the market.

The people abusing it should be found and banned. If not permanently, at least long enough to make up for their illegitimate gains.

in the meantime, i buy my gisti MWDs now rather then later >.>

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bill, not an exploit?! lol

CCP ignorant? perhaps. perhaps they are busy trying to run/improve a game and not play police for every exploit ppl come up w/ ( thats neither here nor there)fact is anyone brining in the amount of money we are talking about knew full well it was an exploit. thats why they have fleets at these sites to ensure them and only them use them. they dont guard their 10/10s that way!(hmmmm, wonder why?)

2B a day?? thats a joke...

if the boss spawns every 38-52 minutes, you get about 50mil from the kill
(bounty plus tier package)
then you get faction item drops too. one xlrg shield boost can give you over a 1/3 of a billion.
your odds of getting a 200mil + faction loot drop are probably one in 3. with the other two bringing in atleast an extra 50-100 mil (my math is rough here, but i'm trying to keep it on the conservative side for arguments sake)

so.... lets say every 4 kills you make a billion, well thats less than 4 hours.

23/4 is 5ish. 5 billion in one day (dont think your gonna make that solo mining). now 5 billion * the 8 complexes RA holds is 40 billion.

40 billion, one day (well more than i've ever seen, all brought in in one day)

do that for a month you got 1.2 trillion. do that for 3-4 months knowing full well whats going on.... paint me red and call me a liar, say i'm exaggerating and cut all the numbers in half then.... only 600 billion a month? from an obvious exploit?

i say enough to tip the scales of eve's economy, not to mention the ultimate 'i win' button for an alliance.

hearsay? well, i'm afraid RAs propoganda machine aint gonna be able to turn the tide of this argument. hundreds of players in the game (including myself) know *from experience* the numbers discussed above are decently accurate. a complex is a very fast way of making isk. this is why the final level boss of the 6,7,8,9,10/10s is supposed to spawn every 8-16 hours, not less than once per hour.

*towers towers dreads dreads towers towers mercenaries, towers towers dreads dreads......whah? what exploit? huh? wtf you talking about? (hide the 5 trillion wallet)*

right.

2B per day is accurate.

fact.

but go ahead throw a fit.

to be clear thats 2B per complex per day. A signficant amount of isk, but any superexaggeration over that is just feeding the fire with hearsay and imagination.

Not that you care.

I wonder how many people would have to get a real job if they cant sell the isk on ebay anymore?

Bill you seem pretty intent that you can only make 2 bil farming the 8/10.

You deem that as a fact how? Cause your one of the lackys sitting in there doin it?

Yeah, i'd probably try to talk down the situation if I was looking at getting banned too!

:P

Moron, I live in a region that RA camps. Sometimes we can run the plex when they're not in it. Hence I speak of fact.

So you do run the complex and use the exploits

Just cos you aren't in RA/RAT doesn't mean you won't get banned for exploiting :)

Not an exploit? I direct your thinking matter here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=398164&page=1

Kieron (as in, big Dev head honcho) says:

" What does this mean to you? If you notice an abnormally high loot drop, think about it for a moment. Is it right that a high level Overseer spawns in a 2/10 complex or spawns at an abnormal frequency? The answer should be 'No.'

So, (hypothetical situation here), you're cruising around in a 2/10 complex, pop an Overseer and he drops a Titan BPC. What do you do? Tell your buddies and farm the heck out of it? Bad idea, you and your friends might be banned. Post about it on the forums? Not a good idea, the forums are not the place to post about an exploit. File a bug report or petition? Bingo! Smile "

So, is it an exploit? Kieron says you can get banned for "farming the heck out of it". Don't trust Bob's word, don't trust Bill's word, don't trust anyone's word- just trust Kieron.

I Just checked this today, being fairly new to eve pirate, but not to eve online, and i think its sick and im telling u, im feeling the effects of this first hand, im a member of CHIMP, defending our space against RA and the likes, and it sickens me, because we are fighting a losing battle due to RA buying isk on ebay and now this? they have a capital ship advantage on us for buying isk alone, and it is becoming increasingly more difficult to keep our space secure, And people such as Bill say this isnt an Exploit thats Complete Bull... How are we supposed to keep our space if RA are farming plexes to secure faction loot and money, They also have a popular unfair tactic, some may be familiar with, which is using a jet can to cause lag and then launching drones, which causes a severe amount of lag, so they are known for using unfair tactics, and now directly because of this bug we may lose our war and space against RA, Why should this be allowed? We cant face down a tonne of T2 ships fitted with Faction loot and an endless stream of Capital Ships can we? We're Suffering as a direct result of this and something has to be done!

I agree with Samuel in every degre, im sorry bill but ur speaking out your ass. Im a former member of -v- and knwo all about the complex whoring that RA does. They have cloakers ist at the gates before DT, and run the first stage to get the keys directly after DT, so no one can run the plex, they continually do this, until it is clear they then log on a 6 man tempest gang that is stationed in the complex system all the time, which then runs the plex with the help of a carrier and a 3 man scorp gang which harrases ppl trying to get into the plex.

This is a usuall tactic and hapened at most of the 10/10 plexes. and yes the average run of a plex in a day is about 5-7 billion.

El.
Director. Puppets on Steroids
iPOD Alliance

Im in Red Alliance, and say this is ofensive! We sit in complex for hours, but only make a few 100 m a day! Carriers are not alot of money, if you have the bpo for the parts.

speak not from your ass!

Red Alliance has a long history of taking advantage of exploits.

Perhaps you recall the 9 POS's that popped up in M53 overnight?

We were amazed, how did they do it? Just think of the coordination to run in that much equipment and materials and to get them all online in a few short hours. If you can pull that off, well then RA you deserve sovereignty.

Unfortuantely we were not outplayed, RA used the Carrier exploit to move those materials and parts in and kept using it to keep them resupplied until the exploit was patched, despite petitions, despite complaints, despite our efforts to win within the confines of the game.

RA is filled with people who search out and use every exploit, bug and weakness in EVE to their advantage. There may be some honest (pronounced ig-no-rant) players in RA, but they certainly have their heads buried in the sand.

The real game being played: Can CCP fix EVE fast enough to stay ahead of the RA?

dont put RA in a niche as exploiters if you do not add the rest of the south.

i left ASCN since they were ordering their pilots to put 200 bookmarks in a shuttle and park them at their POS's.

the mail i got from cyvok a couple of weeks later after i had forwarded the info to him said that they do not tolerate that kind of tactics in their alliance yet [OUT S] is still in ASCN.
and the corp even said that it was on Cyvok's orders also.

the rest of the south is just pissed at RA because RA is better at doing the complexes then they are.
if they had the chance they would farm the shit out of the complexes.

damn fracking hipocrits.

I'd rather lose w/ honor than win cheating.

Malken, dont be so quick to conlude that everyone will stoop to the lows others will, just to reach a common denominator.

the words "...rest of south is just pissed at RA because RA is better..." and suggestions that the rest of the alliances in the south belong in the same ballpark as RA when it comes to exploits is = lol!!

I have yet to see one thing RA is better at that doesn't involve shifty tactics. (considering everything they have been capapble of doing since i got to know them has likely been done w/ dirty money. )

Your comments, just like RA's actions, only shows an inability comprehend staple values like dignity,self respect, moral restraint, along w/ a host of others.

Anyone that will do anything to win a GAME, including breaking rules and blurring lines has already conceeded to themselves and everyone else that they cant win w/o cheating.

RA has kinda proven themselves through repeated shaddy actions that they can't win anything w/o cheating.

Caius, question is purely, will CCP play cat and mouse w/ their individual actions labeling each grey incident black or white as they come across them... or will they get fed up w/ the pattern of actions that continue to put their business at risk and put them 'on notice'

RA, patterns of behavior form reputations. If you dont like what ppl are saying about you, think for a minute why they are saying it.... You really think your that big and bad that everyone just hates you for being the best?lol, RA isn't BoB, you gotta earn some real respect before you can cop out on arguments like this simply by siting jelousy

You Think That all of the southern alliances use exploits? well thats a crock of bull, i am from CHIMP we arent stupid enough to use exploits we are the south, oh yeah and Lotka Volterra, they are southern and they dont use exploits, maelstrom, south and again, no exploits (Anyone see a pattern here?) Knights of the Southern Cross, South, doesnt use exploits..... -V- again southern, doesnt use exploits.... then we'll come on to the rest shall we..... RA, South and big exploit whores, IAC south and big exlpoit whores (IAC and RA are both russian alliances) RA are known for shady tactics, many of us have suffered badly and lost ships through this including myself, a ferox (Shield Tanked with a domi large booster and Boost amp plus hardeners) lost to 2 assualt frigs through the sickening lag tactic explained in a previous post of mine, normally, the AF's would have been annihalated, lets see what else.... oh yeah when a GM messed up and took down a load of our POS's they decided to take the chance and without honor attack one of our home systems in a grab at sovereignty, And even after GM's took partial control of their ships to stop them attacking by warping them out and giving verbal warning... they continued, they have no honor in eve and will take any route to achieving what they want with no regard for the rules or the game of other players, they only want to achieve victory and will not stop at any means, so they will keep abusing bugs, exploits and yes the very much banned, buying ISK and Characters off ebay, another nasty thing they like to do is what we call the 'Logoffski' When they are confronted by a larger force to challenge their own they head to a SS and log off, without even trying to fight, they only attack fleets of lesser firepower and number if they believe to be at a slight disadvantage they will log off, and other such tactics are used and will be until they achieve dominance in the southern regions.

In short, anyone supporting RA, should be strung up and shot.

again something must be done, else RA will dominate our region through no fault of our own. Ban the exploiters FOREVER.

Come on folks, all Russian/east-block alliances exploit the fuck out of this game. Old news, and TBH, I could care less.

Wodka, child porn and exploiting, that's the life, eh comrades?

every alliance have exploiters.

just look at the facts i posted on the E-O forums regarding ASCN ordering their pilots to stuff bookmarks in shuttles to lag out enemies.
Cyvok ordered them to do it.

hence why i told them to fuck off and left.
i know very well the distinction in playing hard and fair versus cheating your way around as much as possible.
i have never bent the rules in eve the slightest, i always play hard but inside the rules and dont take advantage of bugs.
i do know alot of americans that macromine/exploit/cheat as much they can on the fringes of the rules but that doesnt means all americans do it.

you are nothing but a racist when you say chinese are macrominers and russians are exploiters.
get a fricking grip on yourself.
its human nature that the less intelligent ppl who play this game will cheat/exploit their way around be in french or nigerian or whatever, there are stupid people of every race out there.

/Malken

Here here, some famous bloke - can't remember who, once said "the best advice my father gave me was - Son, no nation has a monopoly on arseholes". I've always remembered that. As for exploiting bugs etc., surely CCP should get some of the blame for not fixing them.