4 wars, outnumbered, outgunned, yet we still persevere

Oo - I sincerely hope you are still part of the Privateers Alliance.

I'm salivating at the prospect of getting my hands on some lipsmacking T2, agent runner goodies.

Go on, bring us in to the party & don't save them all for yourself ;)

Sic em...

Nexa - Love your stories, always have done.
You make piracy sound so much more fun then I've ever managed with it, and if one day I get over my recent podding ;) I might even reactivate my suspended account and apply to your most fun-looking of corps :)
Keep up the good work and the good stories.

Just come see me if you need more ammo :P

Hehe, I hauled four cans of ore from one of the five belts in system while two of you tried to camp me in.

Thats why I made the comment about being able to avoid the two of you. It was not meant as bragging since I was actually able to do it :)

Better luck next time.

Congratulations to TRAPS pilot KI AN on his victory in our Domi v Domi matchup this morning. GF mate.
Nexa - you are doing a disservice to your corpmates with these accounts. They have been professional and do not seek to belittle their opponents the way you do here. Let's have your merry men post if they have not found that SETY is doing their best to provide an entertaining and honourable war.
As you are so quick to point out the misconduct of others how can you fail to mention that I solo hunted you and locked you in Youl? It was an unfortunate mismatch and you were at the gate already, but instead of getting a better ship and killing me you imediately convo'ed the DOANE CEO and threatened to war dec V alliance. You then went around my system and docked in Tash. I was alone, and your help reached the Youl system way before mine did.
Fight us in Eve please, let others write the stories.

P.S. Nice screenie of the veteran pvp pilot who has spent the past year fighting RAGOON. I have it on my desktop. He's another person you have no call to ridicule.

You call running from a NOS Domi in a Vexor misconduct? As far as my help that was there, we were quite outnumbered with at least 4 or 5 SETY people along with 3 DOANE people in support ships.

Let me catch you alone in my Domi with you in a cruiser. You're telling me you won't run/jump if I caught you on a gate?

Keep in mind we had 3 other wars in effect, and in the other system was 1 war target in his Navy Issue Apoc and 2 jumps away there were 8 other war targets looking for us.

I was enroute to Tash to get my Domi, but that 8 man war target gang in Bhizeba kind halted my plans.

I have several accounts and saw your backup enroute. You somehow forgot to mention you safespotted in your Domi and didn't engage my guys. One was in his Brutix and one in a Thorax. Surely a brave pilot such as yourself could handle those ships in a deadly BS.

I don't call it misconduct when you guys sit docked because none of your DOANE friends are there to boost your ships.

You call honour having alliance friends come in support and command ships to remote rep and boost you?

As far as my merry men, they think it's weak you need friends to help you and that you only engage when they are around or when you have 1 of my guys camped with 3 or 4 players and call him a pussy for not engaging.

Today being the exception since you engaged and lost. Good fight to you on that one.

As I said, if you guys bring friends to the fights, so will we. Funny how when I say we will do it, you consider it lame, but when you do it, you consider it honorable.

First off, respect for fighting me, Even Flow. It was a really good fight. Could have gone either way.

That said, I don't really think Nexa's story portrays a false image, as today's fight was the first that SETY has given while the numbers have been even. The rest of the time it has been station hugging or using "neutrals" to boost your shields. Yesterday we probed down one of you guys, and he logged in the face of the enemy. We took him to structure, and he just disappeared.

I think that kind of behaviour deserves ridiculing, and besides, it makes for a good story and entertaining reading. Today you showed balls that none of your corp mates have shown. Keep it up and you will all get the respect you feel you deserve.

/Ki

Where is the honor in logoffski I ask you sir!? :)

Hi Nexa-

Running from a NOS Domi is usually the correct tactical decision and I didn't fault you for it. By misconduct I was referring to you convo'ing the DOANE CEO to issue threats, particularly when I am in SETY and already a war target. Surely you must see that you mock such behaviour in your story above? (I know you don't see it, but that doesn't mean it's not there.)

So I'm reading all your reasons for not pursuing me, but I'm also hearing that you were able to spare two BCs to send in after me. I don't get it. Also I'm not uber pvp, but you think I might have had a chance against two BCs. I'll take you're word for it (never saw them), but surely with the pirate queen helping out I would have had no chance. Oh wait, you went to Tash. To stay docked. I really don't get it.

Your alt would have told you the gang left Minin (8 Jumps?)a few minutes after the attack. I was acting alone and that is a fact.

We have alts and locator agents too. Your crew keeps spread apart and you and Shadow spend most of your time in stations. I don't see any gatecamps and I do not understand anything about the way you fight your "wars". You guys very rarely have more than four online at a time and you don't come to each other's aid. (I have attacked Marak Faux and Michael-who-never-logs-in-anymore in Tash and Amarr without reprisal. They docked and then nothing.)

You have my blessing to write about the logoffski if you want. It's not a good story, but there's no way to approve of that tactic. Take your lumps, men.

I have enjoyed your writings for some time but Eve according to Nexa isn't as funny anymore. Take a step back and do a better job of smaller stories.

I really don't mean you any ill, just hate that you criticize everyone you war dec when you are not targetting PVPers. It brings down your crew because they are polite and professional. You never have anything nice to say outside of Eve and you must not be having any fun in Eve. If we're all idiots what does that make you?

For the record it does not take balls to PVP, just an interest. I fight cause I enjoy it - win or lose. I'd be very interested in going solo against your Domi sometime Nexa, but in a month or so, please. I am an industrial alt and I need my implants to help me train exhumers to lvl V. :)

Respectfully - Even Flow

Hi Gaius -
There have been a couple of 2v2's in Minin. It hasn't been all bad, but that doesn't get a mention. We have very few active members and most aren't into PVP. We're crap but who cares, we are trying.
Still jazzed about our fight. We each stuck to our tactics and it was a very interesting finish. I'll tip my hat to your setup and skills though. I couldn't have done anything other than try to kill the drones - you were winning on NOS and had the better tank. Wish I had frapsed it. You don't owe me a rematch but feel free to invite me. 1v1 is hard to find.

Cheers m8

*"I do not understand anything about the way you fight your "wars"."*

It is not incumbent upon us to make ourselves understood.

...cont

I had not heard of the 2 on 2's, I am not kept in the loop on all accounts. We are having issues with people not posting kills, so feel free to email me any killmails and I will get some info and definitely post it. I have no problem admitting defeat, I am well aware there are always better players out there.

Just like with the logoffski encounter. I didn't find out until later today. Most consider that move fairly lame. But to each their own. If any of my guys do that, let me know, I will boot them out of our corp.

Even Flow:

You and I have had several chats in local. All in all, I must say that your corp has had good humor about this war. I feel that you guys see this for what it is: a game in which to have fun.

While we all may question each sides tactics, we use them to try and get an edge on the other. Alts, other corps helping, even logoffski have been used. So be it. But we do call it out when we see it, and you are free to do the same.

As for Nexa running that night in Youl... I was there, in fact I am in the logs, but blanked out. Sometimes people forget that having 4 (I think it was 4 at that point) wars going on at once affects strategies in ways that an individual in an outside corp can not recognize.

One thing I can say about Nexa's writings: Great amounts of effort are made to make sure events are portrayed with a great deal of facts. Yes, a writers influence is in the stories, but the chat logs, sreenshots, eve-mails are all real.

The only editing I have noticed is the blanking out of names, irrelevant chat ommited, spelling errors corrected. No need to tell others who we are, if they dont wish to be known. No need to share with eve-pirate what I had for breakfast. No need for speeling mistakes to make someone look silly.

Nexa:

Love your writing from day one. Keep it up mate!

Hiya Jami! Nexa and Lila,

Yes, I will not fault Nexa on honesty or attention to detail. (and please, I don't think TRAPS are lame.)
Slant is an obvious issue though. Consider this: I did not lie and yet my tale of a pirate queen that called in reinforcements, ran from an encounter, and complained to the DOANE ceo was not the truth. You guys can claim extenuating circumstances here, but victims on these pages cannot.
I still take exception to the way Nexa depicts SETY/DOANE, with very little damning evidence. DOANE are called "older carebear types". IMO they are pro PVPers that have fought a slow bitter retreat in the face of superior RA/GOON forces over the past 7 months. They're like 'Nam vets to me. These aren't the guys flying around in Navy ships for no apparent reason.
Also, please understand that it is just my nature to need to defend them here. I do not speak for them. They are aware of your article and have not felt any need to respond to you.
So Nexa: my respect to you and your crew. Thank you for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully to my posts.

EF--You didn't lie per se, but you put a very heavy slant on your side of the story, which is what you say I do and you said that's one of the things you didn't like about my stories. So I don't get why you would do that.

I am not sure what extenuating circumstances you're refering to either. We make no excuses and rely on facts rather than assumptions.

You can take issue all you want, but as my corpmates pointed out, and as I have reported, any time we have seen SETY out hunting us, it's always with DOANE members in support ships as wingmen. Just last night I was told you guys had 5 BS, plus several DOANE guys in support ships.

My friends in Prison Break will be close by next time so they can offset the support of DOANE members.

As far as the "older carebear types" comment, that was an opinion. An opinion that is made by what I see, not by what I am told. So far all of the DOANE people I have seen are much older pilots than myself, all of them seem to be mining when not sitting at your side running support, and the times I have seen them alone in a combat ship it was to rat in .7 space.

To me, that seems a bit carebearish. Now, had DOANE war dec'd us, and went out and actively pursued us and fought us, I would've said they are a "kick ass pvp corp". I've no doubt they've had their share of pvp in this game. Again, though, I can only go by what I have seen when I form an opinion. It doesn't mean my opinion is the best or right one either.

Still as I said before, an allianced corp needs to take care of what actions they make, as it affects the alliance as a whole. When VI get's war dec'd by my other friends, we will make sure VI's leaders know the reason behind the dec. If DOANE is willing to go to war over the support of a corp not in their alliance, that's their business.

Has it ever occured to you that you aren't important enough for a war dec? Some of us have lived under the guns of RA, Sniggs and other hi class pvp'ers for a long time. From what I've read on this site and seen with my own eyes you are far from being in their league and far from being a threat.
I'd put you slightly below average on the annoyance scale, but only because you keep trash talking on eve-pirate and because some of my corp mates are affected due to their lack of pvp experience.

I have goals to reach, fun to be had and fights to fight. But you are not part of that nexa.

Some comments on your last post:
You say the only time you saw a lone Doane in a combat ship he was ratting in 0.7. Did you miss the can he dropped and asked your corp to steal from? He did tell your corp to do so in local and he offered a fight to all of you as far as I know. You are the ones that declared this war so fight or run as you like, but please stop this trashtalk on eve-pirate. It's not going to earn you any respect.

If Doane would war dec you...? Even if you were important enough to war dec it would have to be V war decing you, not Doane. Did your mains in 0.0 forget to tell that to your alt, nexa?

You don't make excuses? From what I've seen here on eve-pirate you make excuses all the time. Be it smack in local or the "wrong" character joining a corp you seem to always need an excuse. Just drop it. We all know that you like to war dec random corps and thats perfectly fine. Just declare them and stop making excuses about it because that makes it look like you are uncertain of your own actions.

Oh, about prison break. I don't know them and for all I know they are good and honorable fighters. But where are they? Everytime I go to Rens to pick up supplies I see one in local, but none at the gates. Other than that they have been non existant so I await in eagerness their move out of our primary regions :)

Syril, we're not important enough to war-dec, but apparently we are important enough for DOANE guys to constantly fly around with you guys and remote repping you? Something here doesn't add up.

Apparently Nexa's story has gotten under your skin. Please, again, note that nothing in the story is untrue, with the possible exception of a few personal opinions on Nexa's part. If that is what makes you so angry, then come and take it out on us in game.

/Ki

"Syril, we're not important enough to war-dec, but apparently we are important enough for DOANE guys to constantly fly around with you guys and remote repping you? Something here doesn't add up.

Apparently Nexa's story has gotten under your skin. Please, again, note that nothing in the story is untrue, with the possible exception of a few personal opinions on Nexa's part. If that is what makes you so angry, then come and take it out on us in game."

Mhmm, didn't they try to blob us also Gaius? (I'm new, so lap me if i'm wrong here) But if we aren't important enough, why mobilize an entire blobbing fleet just for us? I though we were a minor annoyance, no threat .ect .ect
As for the whole DOANE thing, without them wardecced I view you now as exploiters, using non-warring friendlies to give you remote support, that we can't attack for concord presence.
So, SETY = Exploiters. Which substancially lowers my personal views of your corporation, and the views of others too, I am sure.
Bring in support, sure, just don't cheat to do it.

-Shogun.

Constantly blobbing? Constantly supporting? Now you are exagarating. As far as I know there have been a few Doane pilots in amarr space who have helped out when they saw a chance. There have been no blobs, but feel free to make up excuses. Alternatively you can document your claims that doane is constantly supporting. We(Doane) had a look at you guys, tested you, but as I said from the beginning(after the nexa encounter in askonak) you guys are not a threat.

And I'm not angry. Did I say so? I'm quite sure I explained why I'm coming here in my previuos post. Feel free to read all of it.

I'm annoyed because nexa "forgets" to tell stuff like him running away from Simbad in Minin altough he was alone. And for posting here that I was bragging about being a vet when I was evading him in a hauler getting my cans from a belt multiple times. If he was angry about me being better than him in game he should take it out on me in game and not come here to spread his "forgetfullness"

If I'm annoyed out of game why should I take out on someone in game?

I also notice that you failed to comment on Simbad offering traps a fight. Did you forget? Oh, no. I see. If you actually had to fight doane then you couldn't call sety exploiters. :) Too bad you can't shoot on people who support your war targets isn't it? Or maybe you should try one day.

P.S. I kinda enjoy this word game.

Nexa - my slant was exactly how I saw it at the time. That it might have been unfair in retrospect is causing me to lose sleep. I'm not as tough minded as you.

Gaius - Yes the story bugs me. The in-game stuff is OK. It is inconvenient to try to fight you guys with SETY, but it has been fun at times. You really aren't disrupting anything for me though. I am just lucky Even Flow had some Domi skills for 0.0 mining. Apart for this bit of action I usually would only log her on for skill changes. I had to train for the NOS when you guys war dec'd us.
Commenting on your importance to DOANE would be above my pay grade, but I will tell you that operations continue for them in 0.0 and that there are no plans in place to respond to TRAPS as yet. Those DOANE members that have participated are usually just boosting their own alts. We have some very valued friends in SETY, but a large number of members are alt accounts. I often don't even know who is flying them.

Shogun=Namecaller. Please post your TRAPS id here if you feel we should in any way care about your lowered personal views of SETY.
Please also petition the exploit. I'm not sure how many industrial alts it takes to make a blob, but they are obviously cheating by using DOANE support.
If fighting against the odds bothers you, please suggest which SETY member you would like to go solo against. I might not be able to arrange it, but I would love to know.

How did I run away from Simbad? I can't even engage him since he is in DOANE. I've never talked to him, so I've no clue what you're talking about.

I do believe the time Simbad offered my teammate a fight was when he was in his Drake and my corpmate was in his Rifter. That's hardcore alright.

[ 2006.12.30 04:47:03 ] simbad > i take can but cant shoot until u do
[ 2006.12.30 04:47:19 ] simbad > when u do shoot , i will of course kill u
[ 2006.12.30 04:47:23 ] simbad > UNLESS
[ 2006.12.30 04:47:31 ] Jamikest > but you wont get popped then...
[ 2006.12.30 04:47:43 ] Mistress Miner > nothing evades concord i thought
[ 2006.12.30 04:47:45 ] simbad > ur gang mates jump in ...................

Is that the "challenge" you speak of? Jami in his rifter and Simbad in his Drake? Of course it could be a different time you speak of, I don't know.

[ 2006.12.30 04:55:04 ] Mistress Miner > thought small ships might be hard to hit for the big ships
[ 2006.12.30 04:55:15 ] simbad > what bothers me is the buggers that aint logged in
[ 2006.12.30 04:55:31 ] simbad > me drones n missiloes would do em in
[ 2006.12.30 04:55:31 ] Mistress Miner > ah
[ 2006.12.30 04:55:44 ] simbad > its a loggin trap if ever i saw 1
[ 2006.12.30 05:00:30 ] simbad > u aint here r ya jam me old mate ?
[ 2006.12.30 05:00:31 ] Mistress Miner > what happend?
[ 2006.12.30 05:00:38 ] simbad > nothing
[ 2006.12.30 05:00:43 ] simbad > im pissed is all

Login trap? We don't play that way. Funny how we're a n00b, know-nothing pirate scum corp who are no threat to anyone, yet he's afraid of a login trap?

If we are not a threat, why is Simbad out and about searching for us?

[ 2007.01.07 01:12:05 ] simbad > lookin fer TRAPs members , but they all hiding , anyone seen em ......nexa dont count btw :)
[ 2007.01.07 01:13:45 ] Beta Vixen > there's one who hangs in Goni sometimes ... forget his name ... he harrasses ice miners
[ 2007.01.07 01:19:21 ] Jamikest > o/
[ 2007.01.07 01:23:39 ] Jamikest > I am at planet 6 if anyone is bored....
[ 2007.01.07 01:26:16 ] Jamikest > o/ cordo
[ 2007.01.07 01:53:42 ] simbad > \0

You picking up your mining cans while I was afk isn't considered getting the best of me.

I don't make excuses at all. Telling why I war dec'd someone isn't an excuse. I say plenty of times when it's a random dec. Sometimes I am following someone, sometimes someone talked shit and I wanted to kill them. Thanks to CCP, no reason is needed to war dec someone.

Though this should be fun as we have 7 active wars. 2 are merc corps hired to fight us. Wonder who would hire a merc corp against a corp that is no threat to anyone. Hmmm...

This is my ingame name, feel free to convo me whenever.
I should point out here, that Nexa does not need to put down what she doesn't want to. Simple as that.
As about the DOANE assistance, I've been with TRAPS for only about a day, and haven't PvPed in empire, once until now (always been in 0.0) so i'm having to get used to the mechanics again.
Simply put:
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I also notice that you failed to comment on Simbad offering traps a fight. Did you forget? Oh, no. I see. If you actually had to fight doane then you couldn't call sety exploiters. :-) Too bad you can't shoot on people who support your war targets isn't it? Or maybe you should try one day."

Insufficient data to answer.

EF-The odds don't bother me in the least. We don't win every war we wage. It comes with the territory.

We all know how helping out our alts with our mains go as our corp to is mostly alt accounts, hence our low numbers in game at any given time.

I have no issues with SETY whatsoever. Honestly, I haven't seen the support ships remote boosting, so I don't know if it makes that person boosting flagged to us or not.

If not, then I would definitely consider it lame. I have seen this happen once, again, not with you guys, but it was a guy in an Ishkur who stole a can from my corpmate, who had stole it from someone else. :) We attacked the Ishkur as he was boosted by 2 Augorors(sp), and a Raven. We couldn't do a damn thing to the Ishkur. It was pretty funny. Now his corpmates didn't flash to show as flagged, so we didn't fire on them, figuring Concord would help.

So I am not sure about game mechanics in that respect. If we can't attack DOANE due to those mechanics I wouldn't call it an exploit really, I would call it poor coding/game mechanics and very weak tactics.

But it is war after all, and you SETY guys are mostly industry types(this was said by your own members, so if I am wrong on this, do not take it as an insult, just going by what I was told), so I am sure you'd prefer to use every advantage possible, just like we do when we fight. I don't fault your corp for it. It just seemed like some of your guys made it seem like they've hunted us without DOANE support, but again, I have not seen that to be the case.

Ki An said you had readily engaged her and she gave you much props in corpchat for fighting. She said it was a close one. :)

My only question now is, what do these merc corps who hav dec'd us charge? That question is not directed at you or your corp, just wondering out loud I guess. I've asked a few of the previous merc corps what they charged, but they never answer. I would think it's cheaper to pay a small surrender fee as hiring merc I would think is pricier and not a guarantee of hostilities ceasing.

We have honored every war dec surrender offer ever made. Still people won't pay them, which is fine, because we never do either. We will find another way to skin that cat when the time comes. :)

Hopefully I'll see you guys more this weekend. Keep in mind, with 7 active wars our tactics do change up a bit. :)

To be honest Nexa, I don't think we are bankrolling anyone. These new mercs were mentioned on our home site, and we're really not sure why they're in it. I can't guarantee it's not from us, but I would be surprised. Can't see us paying someone to fight for us, or buying our way out of a fight either.
Glad you have no issues with SETY - can't say what'll happen, but there might be an interesting fight or two to come.

Shogun - Welcome to our little fracas. Never mind all this crap; you'll find us friendly enough in game. Best of luck to you, I think TRAPS will keep you on your toes.

EF

Quote from Even Flow:

Shogun - Welcome to our little fracas. Never mind all this crap; you'll find us friendly enough in game. Best of luck to you, I think TRAPS will keep you on your toes.

True words for the SETY/DOANE members I have spoke with ingame.

Syril:

There are several statements you have made that have been previously pointed out as false. I would like to point out that your mate simbad was ratting in my screenshot at a point in time when I had left HIM a can. He did not pick up the gun to fight.
As for DOANE not joining the blobs? Funny thing watching a 10 man gate camp blob with my alts. 1 DOANE for every SETY.

I dont fault you for tactics mentioned. I do point out the error in your factual recollections.