You might remember my last two stories about killing the G.U.A.R.D. alliance. If not, you can read them here and here.
If you're too lazy to read those stories, the basic plot line revolves around a corp of smack talkers we dec'd called RIMTECH, who after being beaten daily decided to run to their friends in the GUARD alliance. They probably figured it would be a good deal all around. 0.0 access, more German friends as this was a German-only alliance, and a large contingent of wingmen to help battle back the evil forces of TRAPS and REPO corps.
Needless to say, they guessed wrong and suffered the consequences. This story picks up where the other ones left off. We had GUARD on the ropes. No more were they out with 30 man gangs roving the area to punish us. Instead they holed up in out of the way systems and started working on faction to get new agents so they could return to missioning 20 jumps away from their home area. Of course, we were more than willing to follow and drop in on them unexpectedly.
Eventually the entire alliance disbanded and now only an alt placeholder corp is there to hang on to the name. Did GUARD folding have anything to do with the REPO/TRAPS tag team combo? GUARD says no. Others say perhaps. Let's see what you think after the story.
I will also touch on some funny stuff that people pull in this game. I love people who just outright fucking lie. We also wrapped up a war against Crimson Council. I had temporarily dropped their war to focus on the RIMTECH splinter corps that popped up but they came to their senses and paid the surrender fee before the war could be restarted against them.
RIMTECH did some amusing stuff as well. They are prime examples of how you can avoid wars with minimal to moderate inconvenience on your part in this game.
At this point GUARD is taking heavy losses daily. I guess they were also under attack in their 0.0 section of space and getting beat fairly well there too.
My requests to negotiate a surrender were completely ignored. REPO tried as well and met up with some of, in my opinion, players with piss poor diplomacy skills given the fact they are the head of a large alliance.
I mean, keep in mind here these are some pretty bad numbers for them.....
All in all it's an ugly picture at this point. Why just a few hours before the negotiations took place, they lost that freighter full of POS goodies. You would think they would be a bit more willing to negotiate. Apparently not. They still view us as a petty group of thugs. The total for us to stop the war was 1.75 billion. Not a lot at all considering several of their players lost 5x that amount in 1 day. Here are some excerpts from the negotiations.
[ 2007.06.17 20:56:43 ] Nicodemos > Well, you need to gather more help to get hold of us, as far I am informed ? You got some new members in the recent days, don't ya ?
I am not sure what this guy was smoking. One look at the killboards and you will see the TRAPS/REPO gang needed no ones help.
Apparently REPO can predict the future....
[ 2007.06.17 20:59:24 ] Hans Gates > your guys will leave corps and we will follow them whereever they go
[ 2007.06.17 20:59:30 ] gabrial1 > then as a leader of your alliance you owe it to your members to realise who you are talking to and what they are capable of before you start with the diaria of the mouth
[ 2007.06.17 20:59:53 ] Aslovi > it works out at 2.3mill per member btw (peanuts for indiviuals)
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:04 ] gabrial1 > im leaving chat one of two things will happen here
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:14 ] gabrial1 > your alliance will dwindle or you will pay 1 bil isk
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:18 ] Aslovi > don't you think you owe it to your members to offer them a way out its there ships there losing
You really have to understand the implications of continuing this war if you're the head of an alliance. You are responsible for the well being of everyone in that alliance. If 90% of your alliance doesn't want to fight and is losing billions every week, wouldn't it just be easier to settle this off the battlefield?
Of course, they think it's better to taunt and goad their opponents...
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:39 ] Hans Gates > I hold you responsible for the war, we DED'd RIM for smack talk, you took them in, we take that as a act of aggession.
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:56 ] Nicodemos > Just to make it short, and not keeping smacktalking. We will not pay any value. Other then this, we will start to blew some of your nice T2 ships - I am interested, how long you can afford to pay them.
So he's saying after two weeks of losing more than winning, all of a sudden he is going to lay the smack down? Huh? Why wouldn't you just do that to begin with and not lose 15+ billion? Once again, the insight of carebears fails to make sense to me....
[ 2007.06.17 21:02:37 ] Nicodemos > Let me know one thing?
[ 2007.06.17 21:02:43 ] gabrial1 > if its not to than it will be to someone else we invite you to bring your people hell hire mercs
[ 2007.06.17 21:02:53 ] Nicodemos > Why are you guys so hot on getting cash when everything is going so well?
[ 2007.06.17 21:02:56 ] Hans Gates > you have brought good fights to the table, I'm looking for a challance.
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:05 ] Hans Gates > it's time for the bill
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:10 ] Hans Gates > 150 mil for fee
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:16 ] gabrial1 > because its what we do
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:26 ] Hans Gates > either you pay now or wer extend
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:28 ] Aslovi > miners mine merc merc its the eve way
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:37 ] gabrial1 > you mine build whatever
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:45 ] gabrial1 > we kill people collect loot and ransoms
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:56 ] Nicodemos > k, keep doing it. Btw - I have better things to do then wasing my time with guys who try to frighten me with something which is a game.
He thinks people like us do this solely for cash. Honestly you don't really get rich for the most part in this line of work. Sure you can score a few nice kills here and there but attrition invariably happens and you have to spend money to replace your losses. It's a lot of work with no guarantee of success unlike mission running or mining.
[ 2007.06.17 21:07:11 ] Nicodemos > Thanks for your oppinions. And thanks for your time guys. Btw - we are clearing out internally anyway. Have nothing to do with you guys.
Ah, the old "I was gonna quit that corp/alliance anyways." excuse.
[ 2007.06.17 21:11:27 ] Nicodemos > Thanks for your time mates, Gonna get some sleep. Btw - if you are interested in fights, start these and not some ganks with easy bait. That kinda sucks.
Once again carebears like to disparage any fight that they are in where they're on the losing side. Had they won via a bait/trap scenario, you can be sure they would be quick to call us n00bs for falling for such tactics.
At this point, they are non-existent really. No more roving gangs as I said, just people missioning and mining. The funny thing is some of them decide to mission only a few jumps away from Tash where we are located.....
Then you have people like Falci. He showed up for a few fights and died in each one. He lost a Typhoon, Jaguar and a Hurricane. Now I catch him in his Retriever mining. Luckily I was in my Taranis so I was able to pop the Retriever and snag some pod action.
He was cloned in the same system so he comes back with a few friends as backup and undocks in his Maelstrom. They had a recon ship, Lachesis I think, and a Harpy. Some of the REPO guys were nearby and showed up with a Tempest and Hyperion.
Falci had his Maelstrom parked 100k off the gate. So I had an alt in a cov ops warp far away enough but still be inline with the gate so when we warped thru, we could warp 100k from my alt and land on top of his Maelstrom.
It wen't off without a hitch. I tackled him long enough for the other BS's to lock him down but then I had to warp out when the cov-ops and Harpy started pinging me. I had no repper so I had to leave but we did manage to kill his Maelstrom.
2007.06.23 18:26
Victim: Falci
Alliance: G.U.A.R.D.
Corp: Cohortes Stellaris
Destroyed: Maelstrom
System: Dabrid
Security: 0.6
Involved parties:
Name: Jezala
Security: 3.9
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Repo Industries
Ship: Hyperion
Weapon: Garde I
Name: Karinith (laid the final blow)
Security: -0.1
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Repo Industries
Ship: Tempest
Weapon: Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I
Name: Nexa Necis
Security: -1.3
Alliance: NONE
Corp: The Really Awesome Players
Ship: Taranis
Weapon: J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I
Name: Morc
Security: 5.3
Alliance: G.U.A.R.D.
Corp: Cohortes Stellaris
Ship: Harpy
Weapon: 125mm Railgun II
Destroyed items:
Invulnerability Field II
Power Diagnostic System II
Large Shield Extender II
Dragon F.O.F. Cruise Missile I, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 200 (Cargo)
Devastator Cruise Missile, Qty: 200 (Cargo)
Cataclysm Cruise Missile, Qty: 200 (Cargo)
Titanium Sabot L, Qty: 1300 (Cargo)
EMP L, Qty: 1360 (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Hunter F.O.F. Cruise Missile I, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Valkyrie II (Drone Bay)
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I
1400mm Gallium I Cannon
Sigma-Nought Tracking Mode I
Sensor Booster II
EMP L, Qty: 9
EMP L, Qty: 7
That was a nice 150mil loss for him on that alone, never mind his losses on the previous kills and poddings. Notice his own corpmate mistargeted and fired on him?
I ran into a few more GUARD people but now they were all running scared fitting WCS like no tomorrow. I almost had a Hyperion. Look at his killer setup!
We did manage to snag a Drake pilot though. Those friggin things are still way overpowered. My Domi with it's blasters and heavy drones couldn't break the tank on it, even when a few Inty's showed up to help me he was easily maintaining his shields. He eventually went to run as he probably expected more backup to be arriving. He deagressed and jumped through the gate, only to find said backup already waiting for him.
With T2 launchers and missiles those passive tanked Drakes are ridiculously tough. I think we had 2 Inty's, Domi, Myrm, Deimos and something else and he actually lasted much longer than he should have. I can see why all these people fly them. That "nerf" in Rev 2 did absolutely nothing as far as I can tell. Basic loot too. Nothing overly expensive and he was a tough fight.
Now I am getting emails daily of all the corps fleeing out of the GUARD alliance.
The GUARD alliance head makes a post on the Eve-O forums here.
I found it odd that a lot of people in the post commented how they were good sports in the battles they had fought, yet all my corp had run into was a lot of smack talk or sore loser chats. It's odd that a smack free good sport alliance would allow RIMTECH to join them. Then again, I find that a lot of corps and alliances do not practice what they preach in their charters.
It's ashame all those other corps had to die simply because they were forced by the alliance to defend a bunch of crybaby smack talkers they had nothing to do with.
I never said we singlehandedly brought the alliance to it's knees. We did bring their Empire operations to a pretty good halt. I had to laugh at how they continued to discount our effect even after they disbanded. They like to be oblivious to everything. This guy feels he knows everything without even reading anything I wrote. He just knows I am full of shit simply because I am on the other team.
Roflmao !
Nexa I feel really sorry for you that you have to post such things Laughing
I think you are blinded by your ubberness and a look on your Corp name .... ah well, not even worth to read every single word you wrote.
So I want to thank all Members of G.U.A.R.D. for a really great time with almost every highs and lows you can imagine :)
See you guys around
Frozen Buffalo
Proud Ex-CFJ Member
Proud Ex-G.U.A.R.D. Member
Again, I love how people do not catch the sarcasm of our corp name. All I did was thank them for a profitable war and let them know I would be following up with random war dec's against them and their new corps/splinter corps at some time down the road. I also offered some friendly advice. They don't read it like that. Somehow they read it as "WE WON! YOU LOSE ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE SO AWESOME!!!" Odd they don't take the time to comprehend anything I wrote. Perhaps it's the language barrier? One of their guys said.....
Do you really believe this?
GUARD lost a complete outpost, some POSses plus the complete 0.0 Space that was owned by the alliance. Not to mention the ships and assets...
So do you really think somewhat 15 or 20bill in a empire-war with insured ships and only some equipment lost could really hurt more than this?
Again, I am not sure where they are getting I said we were the sole reason they disbanded but you can see their poor leadership from this statement. Yes I really think that 20 bil in Empire losses can hurt more than losing POS's and such. Why? Because like everyone says, you go to 0.0 and you have to expect the worst and hope for the best. Losing a POS is not really a surprise. It's to be expected really. It's almost planned to an extent. You know when it's in reinforced mode, you know how long you have to repair it. You can wrap your mind around it much easier.
On the other hand, flying your 7 billion ISK CNR while missioning and getting probed out and popped and podded is a different story. It's a very demoralizing loss for most people. Especially people who just like to be left alone to mission and mine in peace. Especially to people when it's their 4th and most expensive loss of the day. Do that same thing to another 20-30 people and kill them when they're in Empire trying to have fun, it ruins the game for them. They hate it....
Sascha87 > thx
Ki An > gf
Sascha87 > for the insurance @ ki
Ki An > :) you're welcome
d026 > damian vilsalant you are so sexy
Sascha87 > concord should podd me !! but than i meet you ..gg
Ki An > Glad to be of service
Sascha87 > because i cant sell my shp for the money whats worth m here ! m
Sascha87 > but the insurance payd better
Ki An > Like I said, glad it worked out for you
Sascha87 > fuck war
He lost a Myrm with no fittings. A small loss but obviously he isn't happy in the least. These are the kind of losses most people hate. Dying in 0.0 is fairly expected. Dying in a 1.0 system is the last thing on your mind. It's harder to grasp. It's even harder when you consider the fact you're dying because your alliance leaders are recruiting corps who bring trouble to the alliance and all the while refusing to negotiate a surrender. That has got to be frustrating. That will take it's toll a lot faster than losing a few ships to blob/fleet battles in 0.0 defending your own investments and belongings. In our scenario they're defending themselves, for reasons they have nothing to do with. Will that affect these pilots more than a POS loss? You're damn fucking right it can.
I think our affect was quite evident when you look at the fact that when the war started they were out in full force, camping, hunting, and trying to engage. Once they saw the battle of the blobs wasn't always winnable, their efforts against us dwindled. I mean really, if we had no effect on them, then why bother mobilizing ships to come hunt us? Why bother with us at all really since we're so insignificant? Makes ya wonder doesn't it?
I got convoe'd several times by various GUARD members trying to work side deals in an effort to negotiate a surrender....
[ 2007.06.23 23:56:10 ] guardmember > i've a question
[ 2007.06.23 23:57:11 ] Nexa Necis > yes?
[ 2007.06.23 23:57:44 ] guardmember > how can we stopped that useless war
[ 2007.06.23 23:58:18 ] guardmember > i'm no diplo ! you have to know that
He goes on to express his frustration with how the whole situation went down and how they reacted after we offered to negotiate but the GUARD heads said to fuck off basically....
[ 2007.06.23 23:58:56 ] guardmember > nice diplos
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:08 ] Nexa Necis > yeah
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:13 ] Nexa Necis > i wasnt asking much at first
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:21 ] Nexa Necis > you fluent in english?
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:42 ] guardmember > so how can we end this war ! without isk !!!
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:51 ] guardmember > kannst du deutsch ???
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:56 ] Nexa Necis > no sorry just english
[ 2007.06.24 00:00:21 ] guardmember > bad for buisness you know
[ 2007.06.24 00:00:39 ] guardmember > for both !
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:02 ] Nexa Necis > well ISK is the only way. your alliance can pay or lose ships every day. today you lost a hulk and a maelstrom worth about 600-800mil total. i only asked for 750mil to stop the war
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:05 ] guardmember > and 300 mill are the money that we can save when we end the war
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:25 ] guardmember > 750
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:35 ] guardmember > i dont know that !
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:42 ] Nexa Necis > yeah we asked for 750mil
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:49 ] guardmember > i dont know anythig !
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:50 ] Nexa Necis > not a lot when you look at it.
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:57 ] guardmember > i do that on my own !
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:58 ] Nexa Necis > shame they dont tell the alliance about the negotiations
[ 2007.06.24 00:02:02 ] Nexa Necis > poor leaders
[ 2007.06.24 00:02:23 ] guardmember > the leeders wanna fight ! but i and many more not
[ 2007.06.24 00:02:45 ] guardmember > because the mining and the travels
[ 2007.06.24 00:03:10 ] Nexa Necis > understood
He goes on to tell me how they are in the dark and were not aware that paying a surrender fee was even an option. All he was told by the alliance leaders was that they are to fight at all costs.
[ 2007.06.24 00:06:22 ] Nexa Necis > well, unfortunately they should hear the offer. your alliance should have a say in matters, dont leave it up to 2 idiots who are too arrogant to do whats best for your alliance
[ 2007.06.24 00:06:58 ] guardmember > but the 2 ideots are the leaders
He is smart enough to understand he is directly paying for a war he should not even have had to been involved with if his alliance didn't let RIMTECH join with 2 active wars against them.
[ 2007.06.24 00:07:10 ] Nexa Necis > then he should join a corp outside the alliance and war dec us to fight. instead he lets innocent people die just because he decided to hide the RIMTECH corp
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:03 ] guardmember > but they said the rim are german ! and we have to secure them ,, to my isk
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:13 ] guardmember > i pay for rimtech !
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:19 ] Nexa Necis > exactly
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:23 ] Nexa Necis > not exactly fair
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:24 ] guardmember > and everbody too
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:29 ] guardmember > yes
You can definitely see how a "few" Empire losses are affecting people. Notice he isn't mentioning anything about the alliance losses in 0.0?
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:12 ] guardmember > but what should i do !
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:18 ] guardmember > i'm an oos guy
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:25 ] guardmember > i dont wanna leave oos
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:42 ] guardmember > but oos dont leave the guard
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:50 ] Nexa Necis > again, if you tell your alliance about my offer, i think more of them would chip in to help pay and be done with it
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:01 ] Nexa Necis > i dont think nico told the alliance
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:03 ] guardmember > so i and all the miner are the ideots in that war
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:09 ] Nexa Necis > :(
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:23 ] guardmember > and ! also
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:38 ] guardmember > i thing all the miners on your side are the ideots too
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:42 ] guardmember > isnt it
When you don't have all your alliance members having a vested interest in your 0.0 goings on and the people in 0.0 have no vested interest in defending Empire operations, you're screwed. You really gotta be one for all and all for one. Which is why smaller corps like REPO and TRAPS tend to prevail against greater odds and persevere in the long run.
So once RIMTECH left GUARD, they hip hopped from splinter corp to splinter corp and back to RIMTECH all to avoid a fight.
They even did something pretty funny.....
Not a bad joke at all if ya ask me.
Another funny guy in game is Soul Finder. I mentioned him in a few of my stories. I ran into him a long time ago while camping war targets in a high sec populated area. He was going on an on about how badass he is and how he dec'd alliances and eats them for lunch. Of course he has no proof but he says he wants my 13mil bounty I had at the time.
He invites me to low sec to claim it, I told him to just war dec me since he's a pro at it. He tells me the war is a go in 48 hours. It never happened. Ever. I called him on it and he pretended not to know who I was.
Then I log in today and see him harassing people in high sec. Funny he was making fun of me for chasing war targets in high sec and here he is can flipping trying to kill some miners. I decide to ask for my war dec again.
He is delusional obviously. He has never once war dec'd us and we certainly ain't running from a one man corp with a smack talking pussy as a CEO. Another complete fucking lying fool with no proof to backup anything he claims. I can't wait to kill him. How much do you want to bet once the war dec goes active he either permadocks, joins an alliance, or quits corp? We shall see.
Then you have the Crimson Council guys. Overall a nice group of people even if they are a bit too carebearish for my liking. I ran into one of them just before I ended the war against them. He was in a Drake of course. I was in my Myrm. As usual, Drakes being the overpowered tanks that they are, I couldn't break his passive shield tank. It ended up being a stalemate so we ended it with a "GF" and went on our way. I asked him what he was gonna do when the supposed nerf would hit the Drake crowd, he said he had a solution....
Quitting corp was his solution. Hehe. Probably the best one given his style of play. I did manage to track down one of his corpmates that had gone 25 jumps away to avoid the war. Unfortunately for him he sat AFK on a gate and allowed me to pop his salvaging ship and his pod.
This was another one where I killed him so hard it knocked him out of his corp. I saw him a few days later after I had retracted the war against Crimson so I could focus on GUARD. I gave him a friendly warning...
[ 2007.06.23 16:58:32 ] Nexa Necis > dont get too comfy Junichiro, were coming back in about a week :0
[ 2007.06.23 16:58:50 ] Junichiro Koizumi > ...
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:01 ] Junichiro Koizumi > Why must you do this?
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:06 ] Junichiro Koizumi > Go pirate in low-sec
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:11 ] Nexa Necis > go mine in low sec
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:13 ] Junichiro Koizumi > or do something more productive
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:29 ] Junichiro Koizumi > I plan on it
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:41 ] Nexa Necis > k then ill go to low sec when you do :)
You can't escape the old "Why do you go to low sec like a real man" logic. I just turn that same logic back on them. It doesn't work of course since you cannot reason with someone like this.
For some reason almost every time we war dec smaller corps, their CEO's seem to go on "vacation". This is a popular activity it seems. This time though the CEO of Crimson Council came back from vacation and relinquished his CEO title to a much better suited person who was intelligent enough to realize it was wiser to pay to end the war than run around trying to avoid it. Smart move on his part.
I was going to post a bit about our latest war against the FREGE alliance. We're tag teaming them with our friends in REPO again. I hadn't planned on going after FREGE but I did have a few of their members steal from a few of my kills in the past and since I aim to help my friends whenever possible I couldn't decline their request.
So stay tuned for the next story. Hopefully it will be a fun one like GUARD was but at the moment, most of the FREGE people I ran into were all stabbed up the ying yang. Let's see what tomorrow brings.
All in all it's an ugly picture at this point. Why just a few hours before the negotiations took place, they lost that freighter full of POS goodies. You would think they would be a bit more willing to negotiate. Apparently not. They still view us as a petty group of thugs. The total for us to stop the war was 1.75 billion. Not a lot at all considering several of their players lost 5x that amount in 1 day. Here are some excerpts from the negotiations.
[ 2007.06.17 20:56:43 ] Nicodemos > Well, you need to gather more help to get hold of us, as far I am informed ? You got some new members in the recent days, don't ya ?
I am not sure what this guy was smoking. One look at the killboards and you will see the TRAPS/REPO gang needed no ones help.
Apparently REPO can predict the future....
[ 2007.06.17 20:59:24 ] Hans Gates > your guys will leave corps and we will follow them whereever they go
[ 2007.06.17 20:59:30 ] gabrial1 > then as a leader of your alliance you owe it to your members to realise who you are talking to and what they are capable of before you start with the diaria of the mouth
[ 2007.06.17 20:59:53 ] Aslovi > it works out at 2.3mill per member btw (peanuts for indiviuals)
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:04 ] gabrial1 > im leaving chat one of two things will happen here
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:14 ] gabrial1 > your alliance will dwindle or you will pay 1 bil isk
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:18 ] Aslovi > don't you think you owe it to your members to offer them a way out its there ships there losing
You really have to understand the implications of continuing this war if you're the head of an alliance. You are responsible for the well being of everyone in that alliance. If 90% of your alliance doesn't want to fight and is losing billions every week, wouldn't it just be easier to settle this off the battlefield?
Of course, they think it's better to taunt and goad their opponents...
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:39 ] Hans Gates > I hold you responsible for the war, we DED'd RIM for smack talk, you took them in, we take that as a act of aggession.
[ 2007.06.17 21:00:56 ] Nicodemos > Just to make it short, and not keeping smacktalking. We will not pay any value. Other then this, we will start to blew some of your nice T2 ships - I am interested, how long you can afford to pay them.
So he's saying after two weeks of losing more than winning, all of a sudden he is going to lay the smack down? Huh? Why wouldn't you just do that to begin with and not lose 15+ billion? Once again, the insight of carebears fails to make sense to me....
[ 2007.06.17 21:02:37 ] Nicodemos > Let me know one thing?
[ 2007.06.17 21:02:43 ] gabrial1 > if its not to than it will be to someone else we invite you to bring your people hell hire mercs
[ 2007.06.17 21:02:53 ] Nicodemos > Why are you guys so hot on getting cash when everything is going so well?
[ 2007.06.17 21:02:56 ] Hans Gates > you have brought good fights to the table, I'm looking for a challance.
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:05 ] Hans Gates > it's time for the bill
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:10 ] Hans Gates > 150 mil for fee
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:16 ] gabrial1 > because its what we do
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:26 ] Hans Gates > either you pay now or wer extend
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:28 ] Aslovi > miners mine merc merc its the eve way
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:37 ] gabrial1 > you mine build whatever
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:45 ] gabrial1 > we kill people collect loot and ransoms
[ 2007.06.17 21:03:56 ] Nicodemos > k, keep doing it. Btw - I have better things to do then wasing my time with guys who try to frighten me with something which is a game.
He thinks people like us do this solely for cash. Honestly you don't really get rich for the most part in this line of work. Sure you can score a few nice kills here and there but attrition invariably happens and you have to spend money to replace your losses. It's a lot of work with no guarantee of success unlike mission running or mining.
[ 2007.06.17 21:07:11 ] Nicodemos > Thanks for your oppinions. And thanks for your time guys. Btw - we are clearing out internally anyway. Have nothing to do with you guys.
Ah, the old "I was gonna quit that corp/alliance anyways." excuse.
[ 2007.06.17 21:11:27 ] Nicodemos > Thanks for your time mates, Gonna get some sleep. Btw - if you are interested in fights, start these and not some ganks with easy bait. That kinda sucks.
Once again carebears like to disparage any fight that they are in where they're on the losing side. Had they won via a bait/trap scenario, you can be sure they would be quick to call us n00bs for falling for such tactics.
At this point, they are non-existent really. No more roving gangs as I said, just people missioning and mining. The funny thing is some of them decide to mission only a few jumps away from Tash where we are located.....
Then you have people like Falci. He showed up for a few fights and died in each one. He lost a Typhoon, Jaguar and a Hurricane. Now I catch him in his Retriever mining. Luckily I was in my Taranis so I was able to pop the Retriever and snag some pod action.
He was cloned in the same system so he comes back with a few friends as backup and undocks in his Maelstrom. They had a recon ship, Lachesis I think, and a Harpy. Some of the REPO guys were nearby and showed up with a Tempest and Hyperion.
Falci had his Maelstrom parked 100k off the gate. So I had an alt in a cov ops warp far away enough but still be inline with the gate so when we warped thru, we could warp 100k from my alt and land on top of his Maelstrom.
It wen't off without a hitch. I tackled him long enough for the other BS's to lock him down but then I had to warp out when the cov-ops and Harpy started pinging me. I had no repper so I had to leave but we did manage to kill his Maelstrom.
2007.06.23 18:26
Victim: Falci
Alliance: G.U.A.R.D.
Corp: Cohortes Stellaris
Destroyed: Maelstrom
System: Dabrid
Security: 0.6
Involved parties:
Name: Jezala
Security: 3.9
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Repo Industries
Ship: Hyperion
Weapon: Garde I
Name: Karinith (laid the final blow)
Security: -0.1
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Repo Industries
Ship: Tempest
Weapon: Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I
Name: Nexa Necis
Security: -1.3
Alliance: NONE
Corp: The Really Awesome Players
Ship: Taranis
Weapon: J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I
Name: Morc
Security: 5.3
Alliance: G.U.A.R.D.
Corp: Cohortes Stellaris
Ship: Harpy
Weapon: 125mm Railgun II
Destroyed items:
Invulnerability Field II
Power Diagnostic System II
Large Shield Extender II
Dragon F.O.F. Cruise Missile I, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 200 (Cargo)
Devastator Cruise Missile, Qty: 200 (Cargo)
Cataclysm Cruise Missile, Qty: 200 (Cargo)
Titanium Sabot L, Qty: 1300 (Cargo)
EMP L, Qty: 1360 (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Hunter F.O.F. Cruise Missile I, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Valkyrie II (Drone Bay)
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I
1400mm Gallium I Cannon
Sigma-Nought Tracking Mode I
Sensor Booster II
EMP L, Qty: 9
EMP L, Qty: 7
That was a nice 150mil loss for him on that alone, never mind his losses on the previous kills and poddings. Notice his own corpmate mistargeted and fired on him?
I ran into a few more GUARD people but now they were all running scared fitting WCS like no tomorrow. I almost had a Hyperion. Look at his killer setup!
We did manage to snag a Drake pilot though. Those friggin things are still way overpowered. My Domi with it's blasters and heavy drones couldn't break the tank on it, even when a few Inty's showed up to help me he was easily maintaining his shields. He eventually went to run as he probably expected more backup to be arriving. He deagressed and jumped through the gate, only to find said backup already waiting for him.
With T2 launchers and missiles those passive tanked Drakes are ridiculously tough. I think we had 2 Inty's, Domi, Myrm, Deimos and something else and he actually lasted much longer than he should have. I can see why all these people fly them. That "nerf" in Rev 2 did absolutely nothing as far as I can tell. Basic loot too. Nothing overly expensive and he was a tough fight.
Now I am getting emails daily of all the corps fleeing out of the GUARD alliance.
The GUARD alliance head makes a post on the Eve-O forums here.
I found it odd that a lot of people in the post commented how they were good sports in the battles they had fought, yet all my corp had run into was a lot of smack talk or sore loser chats. It's odd that a smack free good sport alliance would allow RIMTECH to join them. Then again, I find that a lot of corps and alliances do not practice what they preach in their charters.
It's ashame all those other corps had to die simply because they were forced by the alliance to defend a bunch of crybaby smack talkers they had nothing to do with.
I never said we singlehandedly brought the alliance to it's knees. We did bring their Empire operations to a pretty good halt. I had to laugh at how they continued to discount our effect even after they disbanded. They like to be oblivious to everything. This guy feels he knows everything without even reading anything I wrote. He just knows I am full of shit simply because I am on the other team.
Roflmao !
Nexa I feel really sorry for you that you have to post such things Laughing
I think you are blinded by your ubberness and a look on your Corp name .... ah well, not even worth to read every single word you wrote.
So I want to thank all Members of G.U.A.R.D. for a really great time with almost every highs and lows you can imagine :)
See you guys around
Frozen Buffalo
Proud Ex-CFJ Member
Proud Ex-G.U.A.R.D. Member
Again, I love how people do not catch the sarcasm of our corp name. All I did was thank them for a profitable war and let them know I would be following up with random war dec's against them and their new corps/splinter corps at some time down the road. I also offered some friendly advice. They don't read it like that. Somehow they read it as "WE WON! YOU LOSE ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE SO AWESOME!!!" Odd they don't take the time to comprehend anything I wrote. Perhaps it's the language barrier? One of their guys said.....
Do you really believe this?
GUARD lost a complete outpost, some POSses plus the complete 0.0 Space that was owned by the alliance. Not to mention the ships and assets...
So do you really think somewhat 15 or 20bill in a empire-war with insured ships and only some equipment lost could really hurt more than this?
Again, I am not sure where they are getting I said we were the sole reason they disbanded but you can see their poor leadership from this statement. Yes I really think that 20 bil in Empire losses can hurt more than losing POS's and such. Why? Because like everyone says, you go to 0.0 and you have to expect the worst and hope for the best. Losing a POS is not really a surprise. It's to be expected really. It's almost planned to an extent. You know when it's in reinforced mode, you know how long you have to repair it. You can wrap your mind around it much easier.
On the other hand, flying your 7 billion ISK CNR while missioning and getting probed out and popped and podded is a different story. It's a very demoralizing loss for most people. Especially people who just like to be left alone to mission and mine in peace. Especially to people when it's their 4th and most expensive loss of the day. Do that same thing to another 20-30 people and kill them when they're in Empire trying to have fun, it ruins the game for them. They hate it....
Sascha87 > thx
Ki An > gf
Sascha87 > for the insurance @ ki
Ki An > :) you're welcome
d026 > damian vilsalant you are so sexy
Sascha87 > concord should podd me !! but than i meet you ..gg
Ki An > Glad to be of service
Sascha87 > because i cant sell my shp for the money whats worth m here ! m
Sascha87 > but the insurance payd better
Ki An > Like I said, glad it worked out for you
Sascha87 > fuck war
He lost a Myrm with no fittings. A small loss but obviously he isn't happy in the least. These are the kind of losses most people hate. Dying in 0.0 is fairly expected. Dying in a 1.0 system is the last thing on your mind. It's harder to grasp. It's even harder when you consider the fact you're dying because your alliance leaders are recruiting corps who bring trouble to the alliance and all the while refusing to negotiate a surrender. That has got to be frustrating. That will take it's toll a lot faster than losing a few ships to blob/fleet battles in 0.0 defending your own investments and belongings. In our scenario they're defending themselves, for reasons they have nothing to do with. Will that affect these pilots more than a POS loss? You're damn fucking right it can.
I think our affect was quite evident when you look at the fact that when the war started they were out in full force, camping, hunting, and trying to engage. Once they saw the battle of the blobs wasn't always winnable, their efforts against us dwindled. I mean really, if we had no effect on them, then why bother mobilizing ships to come hunt us? Why bother with us at all really since we're so insignificant? Makes ya wonder doesn't it?
I got convoe'd several times by various GUARD members trying to work side deals in an effort to negotiate a surrender....
[ 2007.06.23 23:56:10 ] guardmember > i've a question
[ 2007.06.23 23:57:11 ] Nexa Necis > yes?
[ 2007.06.23 23:57:44 ] guardmember > how can we stopped that useless war
[ 2007.06.23 23:58:18 ] guardmember > i'm no diplo ! you have to know that
He goes on to express his frustration with how the whole situation went down and how they reacted after we offered to negotiate but the GUARD heads said to fuck off basically....
[ 2007.06.23 23:58:56 ] guardmember > nice diplos
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:08 ] Nexa Necis > yeah
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:13 ] Nexa Necis > i wasnt asking much at first
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:21 ] Nexa Necis > you fluent in english?
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:42 ] guardmember > so how can we end this war ! without isk !!!
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:51 ] guardmember > kannst du deutsch ???
[ 2007.06.23 23:59:56 ] Nexa Necis > no sorry just english
[ 2007.06.24 00:00:21 ] guardmember > bad for buisness you know
[ 2007.06.24 00:00:39 ] guardmember > for both !
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:02 ] Nexa Necis > well ISK is the only way. your alliance can pay or lose ships every day. today you lost a hulk and a maelstrom worth about 600-800mil total. i only asked for 750mil to stop the war
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:05 ] guardmember > and 300 mill are the money that we can save when we end the war
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:25 ] guardmember > 750
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:35 ] guardmember > i dont know that !
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:42 ] Nexa Necis > yeah we asked for 750mil
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:49 ] guardmember > i dont know anythig !
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:50 ] Nexa Necis > not a lot when you look at it.
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:57 ] guardmember > i do that on my own !
[ 2007.06.24 00:01:58 ] Nexa Necis > shame they dont tell the alliance about the negotiations
[ 2007.06.24 00:02:02 ] Nexa Necis > poor leaders
[ 2007.06.24 00:02:23 ] guardmember > the leeders wanna fight ! but i and many more not
[ 2007.06.24 00:02:45 ] guardmember > because the mining and the travels
[ 2007.06.24 00:03:10 ] Nexa Necis > understood
He goes on to tell me how they are in the dark and were not aware that paying a surrender fee was even an option. All he was told by the alliance leaders was that they are to fight at all costs.
[ 2007.06.24 00:06:22 ] Nexa Necis > well, unfortunately they should hear the offer. your alliance should have a say in matters, dont leave it up to 2 idiots who are too arrogant to do whats best for your alliance
[ 2007.06.24 00:06:58 ] guardmember > but the 2 ideots are the leaders
He is smart enough to understand he is directly paying for a war he should not even have had to been involved with if his alliance didn't let RIMTECH join with 2 active wars against them.
[ 2007.06.24 00:07:10 ] Nexa Necis > then he should join a corp outside the alliance and war dec us to fight. instead he lets innocent people die just because he decided to hide the RIMTECH corp
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:03 ] guardmember > but they said the rim are german ! and we have to secure them ,, to my isk
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:13 ] guardmember > i pay for rimtech !
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:19 ] Nexa Necis > exactly
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:23 ] Nexa Necis > not exactly fair
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:24 ] guardmember > and everbody too
[ 2007.06.24 00:08:29 ] guardmember > yes
You can definitely see how a "few" Empire losses are affecting people. Notice he isn't mentioning anything about the alliance losses in 0.0?
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:12 ] guardmember > but what should i do !
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:18 ] guardmember > i'm an oos guy
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:25 ] guardmember > i dont wanna leave oos
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:42 ] guardmember > but oos dont leave the guard
[ 2007.06.24 00:11:50 ] Nexa Necis > again, if you tell your alliance about my offer, i think more of them would chip in to help pay and be done with it
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:01 ] Nexa Necis > i dont think nico told the alliance
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:03 ] guardmember > so i and all the miner are the ideots in that war
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:09 ] Nexa Necis > :(
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:23 ] guardmember > and ! also
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:38 ] guardmember > i thing all the miners on your side are the ideots too
[ 2007.06.24 00:12:42 ] guardmember > isnt it
When you don't have all your alliance members having a vested interest in your 0.0 goings on and the people in 0.0 have no vested interest in defending Empire operations, you're screwed. You really gotta be one for all and all for one. Which is why smaller corps like REPO and TRAPS tend to prevail against greater odds and persevere in the long run.
So once RIMTECH left GUARD, they hip hopped from splinter corp to splinter corp and back to RIMTECH all to avoid a fight.
They even did something pretty funny.....
Not a bad joke at all if ya ask me.
Another funny guy in game is Soul Finder. I mentioned him in a few of my stories. I ran into him a long time ago while camping war targets in a high sec populated area. He was going on an on about how badass he is and how he dec'd alliances and eats them for lunch. Of course he has no proof but he says he wants my 13mil bounty I had at the time.
He invites me to low sec to claim it, I told him to just war dec me since he's a pro at it. He tells me the war is a go in 48 hours. It never happened. Ever. I called him on it and he pretended not to know who I was.
Then I log in today and see him harassing people in high sec. Funny he was making fun of me for chasing war targets in high sec and here he is can flipping trying to kill some miners. I decide to ask for my war dec again.
He is delusional obviously. He has never once war dec'd us and we certainly ain't running from a one man corp with a smack talking pussy as a CEO. Another complete fucking lying fool with no proof to backup anything he claims. I can't wait to kill him. How much do you want to bet once the war dec goes active he either permadocks, joins an alliance, or quits corp? We shall see.
Then you have the Crimson Council guys. Overall a nice group of people even if they are a bit too carebearish for my liking. I ran into one of them just before I ended the war against them. He was in a Drake of course. I was in my Myrm. As usual, Drakes being the overpowered tanks that they are, I couldn't break his passive shield tank. It ended up being a stalemate so we ended it with a "GF" and went on our way. I asked him what he was gonna do when the supposed nerf would hit the Drake crowd, he said he had a solution....
Quitting corp was his solution. Hehe. Probably the best one given his style of play. I did manage to track down one of his corpmates that had gone 25 jumps away to avoid the war. Unfortunately for him he sat AFK on a gate and allowed me to pop his salvaging ship and his pod.
This was another one where I killed him so hard it knocked him out of his corp. I saw him a few days later after I had retracted the war against Crimson so I could focus on GUARD. I gave him a friendly warning...
[ 2007.06.23 16:58:32 ] Nexa Necis > dont get too comfy Junichiro, were coming back in about a week :0
[ 2007.06.23 16:58:50 ] Junichiro Koizumi > ...
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:01 ] Junichiro Koizumi > Why must you do this?
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:06 ] Junichiro Koizumi > Go pirate in low-sec
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:11 ] Nexa Necis > go mine in low sec
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:13 ] Junichiro Koizumi > or do something more productive
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:29 ] Junichiro Koizumi > I plan on it
[ 2007.06.23 16:59:41 ] Nexa Necis > k then ill go to low sec when you do :)
You can't escape the old "Why do you go to low sec like a real man" logic. I just turn that same logic back on them. It doesn't work of course since you cannot reason with someone like this.
For some reason almost every time we war dec smaller corps, their CEO's seem to go on "vacation". This is a popular activity it seems. This time though the CEO of Crimson Council came back from vacation and relinquished his CEO title to a much better suited person who was intelligent enough to realize it was wiser to pay to end the war than run around trying to avoid it. Smart move on his part.
I was going to post a bit about our latest war against the FREGE alliance. We're tag teaming them with our friends in REPO again. I hadn't planned on going after FREGE but I did have a few of their members steal from a few of my kills in the past and since I aim to help my friends whenever possible I couldn't decline their request.
So stay tuned for the next story. Hopefully it will be a fun one like GUARD was but at the moment, most of the FREGE people I ran into were all stabbed up the ying yang. Let's see what tomorrow brings.29 Comments
Hans Gates·
Nice Job!
I had no idea there were so many convos about ending the war, we went straight to the leadership and well, that's documented. We have allowed corps to leave alliances in the past for a fee of course, but these guys really just didn't get it. They could have saved the alliance and most likely come back stronger and not have to pay next time someone Decs them.
Really Good Story, Keep it up!
Hans Gates
Accountability Officer
REPO Inc.
bryg philomena·
lol I want to play!! but alliances cost so much. And I am paying for all my wardecs..
Aertaka·
Yay, I'm in gang in one of the screenshots \o/ :P
Right, anyway, yeah Frege and Invictus spanked GUARD right out of their 0.0 space. FYI, it was because Guard started to infringe on space belonging to a close friend of Frege. We even got a free dreadnaught out of one of the POS's :D
However, my Kill/Loss ratio is now much happier since I joined TRAPS a couple weeks ago. So as soon as I get back home from this semi-vacation, I get to . . . hmm . . . maybe I'll spend a little time in low-sec . . . like a man.
Y'know, I spent October 2006 through January 2007 almost entirely in low-sec around Molden Heath. Big woop. Not that hard. Then, I spent February through June almost entirely in Frege's 0.0 drone region. Gameplay is very, very different in 0.0 space, and you have to pay more attention to what's going on around you. But even with that, it's really not that hard.
I'm just waiting for some stupid carebear to tell me to go to low-sec "like a real man," because I can truthfully tell them that I spent a lot of time there :D
Also, I've been wondering. You meet people like that in high-sec. Yet they say "real men" go to low-sec. So . . . are they "real men" or "losers"? Wierd
-Aertaka
PS. This post better work
flashfresh·
NN: your stories makes me happy.
Ki An·
Nice story as always, Nexa. Good luck to you guys, and may you smite the ebil FREGE wherever you may find them.
I had a blast in TRAPS, and I would reccomend anyone to join up and fly with some of the smartest PvPers I've ever seen. No lame play, just smart tactics and reliance on each other.
To Repo, you guys are awesome and TRAPS/REPO is a match made in heaven :)
/Ki
samirol·
Gotta salute you Nexa - you are the most dedicated and talented predator I have come across. Finding targets became bloody hard work after the first GUARD blobs were wiped out and I left TRAPS for 0.0, but your kill totals just kept climbing.
War tagets be warned: do not try to run. Nexa will kill you the moment you feel safe again.
Best of luck to the great crews at TRAPS and REPO.
Aslovi·
Nexa your great at this so much better at documenting all the stuff you do, it was as it always will be apleasure to figth with you guys shame you joined FREGE war after they had taken the pipe running spanking but we'll get more kills mark my words.
And on a positivenote it appears that alot of the GUARD corps have joined ANOTHER all german allaince some how i feel a war dec coming on :)
Aslovi
Contract and Ransom co-ordinator
Also customer service manager
Corp mail clean-up bitch
and tea boy
Tronicl Maruni·
Some of you Repo's are good fighters and good tacticians but for the breakup of GUARD you all had an insignificant role, I'm sorry to say this.
You think the killed obelisk was a big kill? The ship was big, true, freighters are big ! but the lost cargo was just peanuts -> for GUARD. We have lost more freigthers before, with really valuable goods, without empirewars.
The fables of the brothers Grimm are readable but only fables. What you wrote freaky is only a fable too but even not worth a bit.
An intelligent man once said: write about me what you want - but spell my name correctly! You are creating your own "trueness". I'm only interested in one question: are you beliefing what you are constituting by yourself?
I'm sorry for my bad english, school is a long time agao for me. ^^
Regards and fly safe
Tronicl Maruni o/
PS: I'm antipirate and I pesonelly don't like empirewars, because corps who are declaring empirewars to another corps mostly only looking for casual and safe kills and not for true challenges. The killer Léon says(Luc Besson): no wimen no children. Empireware for me is like to kill wimen and children. Nothing to be proud of.
All I wrote is my personelly point of view.
Aslovi·
you are entitled to your opinion as we are, however you need to get facts straigth the freigther kill did hurt them losing the towers and mods in side that weren't on the kill mail took away isk they no longer had. Hitting there empire mission runners and carebears which made up 50% of there allaince huirt them, hitting there haulers trying to move goods thru empire to sell to make isk hurt them. The fact that some of their members were engauged in 0.0 conflict is not the point, they didn't come to support there core members who because they were taking a beating daily in empire left the allaince. So you migth do wise to watch your words as your new allaince will be one of the next port of cals we make. As per usualy anti-pirate carebears always say empire wars are for those who want safe kills if thats the case why did you get very few "easy-kills" when you out blobbed us. and I would suggest you read the articale(s) before posting infuture
Gabriel·
hi nexa great story as always althought ive been away from eve for a couple weeks while my freighter alt is training
i suddenly came back and found that my beloved frege allaince had been deced by traps...well im in a bind now,i dunno weather to be annoyed or deeply honoured
since i hold you in the utmost respect for teaching all thouse evil smackers a thing or two about how to fight
also it pains me greatly too here that members of frege have stolen from you,as we have some fairly stict rules about that kind of action
my advice is this send all relervent information too our diplomats they are not incompotent like some others out there
also i trust that you and your followers have had some fun fight by now with our members and that no smack has taken place as we abhore smacking
if you do get smack from ppl please send the log to there ceo
one of our most important rule is that we do not smack
ps/id like to say that i fully surport empire wars,they are a great way to train and prepare oneself and ones corp for 00 combat
pps/ to the guy that commented about being in frege space you didnt happen to be in an interceptor group did you,those guys have been pests lately
i think ive said enogh i hope
again really great story one day i hope to fly along side you
sorry about bad spelling alas i have to hurry conection is going down very soon
freaky·
Tronicl-
You are a fool if you think what I wrote is a fable. Killboards don't lie, screenshots dont lie, chat logs dont lie. People do. I am not one of those people.
To say that we played any role the demise of GUARD is a completely valid possibility. Since I am not privy to your alliance emails, I had to go by what your alliance-mates all told me every time they convoed me asking me to stop the war. All of them said the war was ruining their good time as well as putting strain on their respective corps. They honestly didn't seem to give a shit about the alliance as a whole.
As I mentioned, not a single GUARD person complained about the losses in 0.0, they all had a complaint about losing in Empire.
Part of the problem seem to be yours was an alliance divided. You had the 0.0 crowd handling business in low sec then you had your huge Empire crowd. Neither gave a shit about the other it seemed. Add to the fact people were dying simply because you decided to defend a German corp you knew nothing about simply on the basis of their ethnicity, and you get one unhappy alliance.
Granted there are two sides to every story. Unfortunately your side will never be told. If it is told, it's probably not going to be well received for the simple fact that all of GUARD has basically called me a liar and worse with zero proof to counter anything I have said. When you discount someone when you have a lot of the facts in front of you, you look like an idiot. When you then try to rebut my story, it looks like an attempt to spite me, not to inform people or entertain them.
If you think Empire wars are safe bets, then go ahead and war dec TRAPS or REPO and see how many "safe kills" you score against corps like ours.
If it's so full of safe kills, why did you show up daily with 20-30 man gank squads?
I've yet to see anyone running around 0.0 with 7bil ships ready to fight (cap ships excluded), I do however see them daily in Empire. Which is one of the main things that attracts me to Empire wars. People will fly around with their best gear thinking, "They'll never find me". Almost all of my low sec/0.0 kills were people with pretty low end gear or cheap T2 gear.
As I always say, I am well aware there is more than one side to every story. You guys are certainly welcome to post anything you like that contradicts me, but you had better have some proof, otherwise, everything you say sounds like the whinings of poor losers.
Gabriel-
Well I do believe I did send an email to the players CEO when they stole my goods, and I got no response. I tend not to get responses when people see my bounty and neg sec status. They always assume it's some kinda bullshit ploy/lie/game/scam I think.
I've only been in one fight with a FREGE member, the rest of the time it's been my gang chasing a FREGE member. There has yet to be any smack talk though so that's always a nice thing.
We did just pop a group of ISK farmers that were hiding out in a FREGE corp, Imortalis Vinum. These guys were in a well known ISK pharmer corp Beatice.
http://traps.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1135
Glad you liked the story though. :) Hopefully the FREGE war will be as entertaining as GUARD was.
zeonos·
love the stories. and since I'm a carebear myself, i have to find joy in reading eve-pirate stories, and i must admit, I've read all of yours, and its been a pleasure each time.
vult·
nice story m8, and as Ki An said.... its been a real pleasure flyin with you
gl with the new wars
vult o7
P.S. i've gone to 0.0 to fly with all the real men :p
Allard Blackheart·
as allways nexa good stuff man
and about the guys that were in old farmer corp they quick the alliance into npc corps less than 1 hour after me and spoony killed just one raven they had a cerb and another reaven next door but docked and quit lol
and to people that think repo and traps are pirates think again most of our war decs are for contracts or for people that smack in local or steal our loot
only a few corps/alliances we have taken on are honorable
CIC alliance
9th fleet alliance
and i think one corp but with the amount for people we have war deced it goes to show not everyone is honorable
btw i am honorable some of my fraps proves it the rest is small gangs /me is making a movie good enough for the evo forums soon*
Allard Blackheart (and his other 2 chars since sold)
Repo Member
REPO FTW
we get contracts we dec leave a mess and get isk we then do it all again :)
Zhula·
Yes, those mission runners from Guard were somehow naive, you did good job killing them. If you realy interessted in reasons for disbanding GUARD, ask some diplos but remember this, your personal guesses are not facts. 6bi ?? ROFL.
Dream your own, self confident dream Repo if you like to. Or wake up and attack one of other alliances from drone regions. I'm sure they will not disband because of a empire war dec.
They have one thing i would describe as fighting spirit, at least those who destroyed GUARD. GUARD lost his one after loosing 0.0 space and internal problems. At the time of war declaration, GUARD was a dead corpse already. You have put a stick in a dead body. I'm sure this alliance died not because of some peanuts and 1 freighter loss.
greetins, keep doing good job
-Zhula
freaky·
Zhula,
You're saying the war had nothing to do with our war, which I find a little hard to believe considering several facts.
Why would they recruit corps when they are in the process of disbanding? We war dec'd RIMTECH several weeks before they joined you. They were only with you for 3 weeks. During those 3 weeks, you guys lost a lot in 0.0 and also in Empire.
Also why band together and fight if the alliance was dissolving? Why risk losing billions of ISK on a whim? It makes no sense really.
Again, you say the diplomats have all the real answers, but obviously a large number of your alliance members failed to agree with the alliance leadership on several fronts. That makes sense since you state there were internal issues. Those issues could be related to an Empire war that you just weren't able to win.
Either way, it's one of those things no one can really prove, it's the old two sides to every story.
The only difference is I wrote a story showing how we may have affected your alliance and it's subsequent downfall complete with logs from your members complaining about the war.
GUARD's side of the story is "Nexa/TRAPS/REPO are idiots and wanna-be pirates who had nothing to do with GUARD falling apart".
Sure it might just be one big coincidence, that's certainly possible. Going by the comments of the people we killed/camped, they painted a different picture and they never ever once ever mentioned anything about the losses/attacks in 0.0 at the hands of FREGE and friends.
I agree it would be silly of me to think TRAPS/REPO were the only reason GUARD fell apart, just as I think it would be silly for anyone to say we had nothing to do with it either.
Ask the people who died in Empire to us and who lost 500mil a week because of the war. They will likely tell you a different story.
Zhula·
Hi again,
"You're saying the war had nothing to do with our war, which I find a little hard to believe considering several facts."
I'm not sure how big was Repo impact on Guard, maybe 5% ?? Yes you killed many of our pilots, but the real problem was the lacking morale and FCs. Maybe it's hard to believe but during whole e-war we were fighing without our expercienced FCs because of some RL issues. I remember only one fight with a "real" FC. Most of our combats were lead by young FCs from Rimtech.
"Why would they recruit corps when they are in the process of disbanding? "
Thats the funny part. Lacking of information was main reason for this. There were some disagreements between CEOs but not all of us were knowing facts about those issues.
"During those 3 weeks, you guys lost a lot in 0.0 and also in Empire."
I do not remeber any big losess in 0.0 in this time period. Maybe some retreating pilots were killed on their way back to empire hauling their assets.
"Also why band together and fight if the alliance was dissolving? Why risk losing billions of ISK on a whim? It makes no sense really." Yes it makes no sense.. But as I said earlier, we were hoping for a new start and missed those discrepancies between our leaders. At the time when we voted for Rimtech, most of us were not aware of those facts.
"Again, you say the diplomats have all the real answers, but obviously a large number of your alliance members failed to agree with the alliance leadership on several fronts." Yes
"Either way, it's one of those things no one can really prove, it's the old two sides to every story." Yes
"The only difference is I wrote a story showing how we may have affected your alliance and it's subsequent downfall complete with logs from your members complaining about the war." It had an influence but how we can measure it ? I can only speculate on this issue.
"Nexa/TRAPS/REPO are idiots and wanna-be pirates who had nothing to do with GUARD falling apart". No, you must understand that our members were frustrated about outcoming of 0.0 war. We were fighting hard , but couldn't stand against a overhelming number of alliances. We hold our space for 1 week before a lagfest and combinded capital fleet killed our BS fleet. We did not had many backup ships, and promised help from other alliances did not arrived. With this background - any of us was proud of very though fights - we came in to empire and found ourselfs splited and dispersed in whole empire , fightig a e-war, lacking morale boost from our leaders. They did great job in 0.0 but were not ready to push our alliance in to a new direction. Without any motivation and hope for new future, some of us got very frustrated and pointed you as a reason for this :)
I found this silly in the past and I find this silly today. I can understand that some people find e-wars frustrating but Guard had some of them before and it was never a real problem.
"Sure it might just be one big coincidence, that's certainly possible. Going by the comments of the people we killed/camped, they painted a different picture and they never ever once ever mentioned anything about the
losses/attacks in 0.0 at the hands of FREGE and friends."
Yes, because many of pilots you were fightin came from Rimtech. They joined us after the war.
"I agree it would be silly of me to think TRAPS/REPO were the only reason GUARD fell apart, just as I think it would be silly for anyone to say we had nothing to do with it either." Yep, you desintegrated a dead corpse :)
"Ask the people who died in Empire to us and who lost 500mil a week because of the war. They will likely tell you a different story." Yes. But people who are flying missions during wartimes are naive, nuts or to lazy to use scouts.
I cannot speak for all corps from Guard, but in my corp we had different positions on this e-war. Some pilots were fighting because they had fun doing this. For those guys with passion for PvP ISK was never a limiting factor. Other guys, broke, suffering from 0.0 and without real fun doing PvP were simply not participating in our e-war encounters. Example: 1 pilot from my corp lost a 700mio BS in 0.0. He was killed by a MS and did not had enough money to buy another one. He simply wasn't able to fight Repo.
greetings
-Zhula
Jarne·
Hi Nexa,
I always liked your stories, but presumed they have to be taken with a grain of salt. I see this confirmed after now having been on the other side of the story (in GUARD) :). You show the screenshots and the chatlogs you want to show. I could not find anything positive about your opponents in your stories ever. But believe me, we/they are not as bad as you suggest.
I also want to comment on:
"Also why band together and fight if the alliance was dissolving? Why risk losing billions of ISK on a whim? It makes no sense really."
For fun, actually, at least that was my motivation. When we banded together to fight you, we where not really risking that much, the heck, it was combat ships dedicated to die. I presume you don't call flying a faction-fitted mission ship (alone) at war times "band together and fight"... I call it simply stupid.
"Why would they recruit corps when they are in the process of disbanding?"
After being kicked out of 0.0, GUARD was seeking a new home (which was not Empire) and a direction. This does not necessarily imply not to recruit new corps. The fall of GUARD began when the "short" period of regathering in Empire got longer and longer because of lacking options, and because of dissension in the leadership. The EWAR was possibly speeding it up, but I think you're overestimating its influence here.
Anyways, props to the REPO guys for some really fun fights (most of which you got the loot from :)), and to TRAPS too, although I did not see many of you in the fights I participated.
freaky·
So Zhula says there were no big losses in 0.0, other GUARD have commented there were indeed big losses (POS's) in 0.0. Two different stories from 2 different alliance members. Go figure.
I never said GUARD was bad. All I said was in the encounters my corp had with them there was a lot of sore loser smack talk and not all of it from RIMTECH.
I said the GUARD leadership was bad. That was backed up by other GUARD as well as Zhula here. I mean you can't just recruit corps based on the simple fact they are German. It doesn't mean they're quality players and it doesn't mean they will be a boon to your alliance.
I never said how much or how little our impact was. I just said there was definitely an impact. It may not have impacted you specifically, but it was certainly affecting a good number of people.
Of the last 50 kills or so we had against GUARD, RIMTECH comprised maybe 10% of those at most. They were very quick to run back to Imih area and resume missioning and mining leaving your alliance out to dry.
Jarne·
There seems to have been a little misunderstanding:
"So Zhula says there were no big losses in 0.0, other GUARD have commented there were indeed big losses (POS's) in 0.0. Two different stories from 2 different alliance members. Go figure."
I cite Zhula:
""During those 3 weeks, you guys lost a lot in 0.0 and also in Empire."
I do not remeber any big losess in 0.0 in this time period. Maybe some retreating pilots were killed on their way back to empire hauling their assets."
That means, there were no great 0.0 losses after the EWAR had begun (for GUARD), which was after GUARD being already defeated and kicked out of 0.0. Thus this does not contradict the previous statements of GUARD having lost much in 0.0 (before the EWAR).
Anonymous·
Can we please leave the COAD whining on EVE-O?
freaky·
Check the link to the main Eve-O forums. Several people commented there that GUARD took plenty of losses in 0.0.
I have no idea how much/what was lost by GUARD out in 0.0, I can only go by what your alliance members tell me/post.
Jark·
Well, right off the top of my head . . .
One complete outpost, though they got a week to get their stuff out.
I don't even know how many POS's were destroyed, I wasn't in the capital fleet.
We (Frege) managed to steal at least one Dreadnaught from one of the POS's. (That was before Pos-Bowling was declared an exploit.
So those are some simple losses there, amounting to 10bil on the low side, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Anonymous·
So this whole blog is about ganking noob corps, solo pilots, afkers and industrial players with the help of two pvp Corps? Rofl thats just boring and looks like carebear pvp.
But I like the style you write .) Its not easy to present such boring & lame stuff in a way you did :)
But I strongly suggest you to move to 0.0, if youre really looking for a real challenge and real pvp .)
freaky·
I strongly suggest you post with an in game name.
0.0 ain't shit. Been there, still there with other chars, done that.
Also, I suggest you reread the story. This was not a n00b corp. It was a 400+ man alliance. We ganked very few haulers actually. Almost all kills were combat ships.
Alas, I am basically talking to myself since anonymous posters of "go to 0.0 and be a real man" don't mean shit here or any other board.
System security status has nothing to do with pvp ability. I'm guessing you're an uber 0.0 denizen who pvp's in their sleep. So man up, and come to wimpy high sec and kill me.
For all those shit talkers making threats, none of them have delivered. Big surprise? Not really.
Automatic Boy·
Do you suffer from any mild schizoaffective disorders?
Maybe it's just your writing style or something that makes it come across like that. I wanna be generous here, but it seems to the reader like you are habitually unwilling to grant that your opponents are ever ordinary nerds just playing a video game with varying degrees of competence and luck.
Doesn't it get boring fighting against an enemy that always has to be thought of as boring, inept, and quasi-evil?
One could fairly translate almost every paragraph you've written in these narratives to say, "OMG, we pwned this noobs, and they didn't even have the decency to lick our balls afterwards. What a bunch of smacktalkers."
I'm sure you guys are quite decent at playing the game. However, maybe you should collaborate with your friends on stories just to get a second opinion before you submit them? If they all agree point for point, well, more power to you I guess. Hope I never meet you in local though.
Aslovi·
Automatic Boy
I get sick of listening to players like you, those who don't post with ingame names and only seem to want to critise others for what they write about.
When you want to bring a little empire war love our way let me know, but until then don't post if you have to hide behind a none in game name.
freaky·
You obviously haven't read enough of my stories to understand that I don't need a single reason to declare war.
I don't care if they are nerds playing a game or whatever you said they could be. Why do I have to play a certain way to accomodate their lifestyle?
I don't care if you're a geek playing this game or mr. cool beau-hunk, if you talk shit, you might get smacked.
Again, as Aslovi said, post with a main, but since you're not I will assume it's you who has a schizo/multiple personality disorder. :)
GH·
Haha, nice story. If I wasn't so low on the Sec Status I'd make a run to your corp dude hehe. At least try.
And another thing. When people are in empire(high-sec) and tell you to go to low sec and be a man, people in low-sec say to go to 0,0 and be a real man. So it won't stop haha, thats mainly because no one is safe in EvE even if they are pure ignorant.