Dirty Work---Part 2

Gotta love when someone forgets to drop off mission/rat loot before they pvp..... 2007.08.26 05:16 Victim: BlackRain McMillan Alliance: The Crimson Federation Corp: Underworld Protection Agency Destroyed: Drake System: Tash-Murkon Prime Security: 0.8 Involved parties: Name: Nexa Necis (laid the final blow) Ship: Myrmidon Name: Sgt Shazz Ship: Raven Name: Dianeces Ship: Hurricane Name: M'ing Pai Ship: Megathron Name: Niron Werls Ship: Myrmidon Name: Lorzion Ship: Stabber Destroyed items: Damage Control II E50 Prototype Energy Vampire Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I (Cargo) Prototype ECCM I Radar Sensor Cluster (Cargo) XeCl Drilling Beam I (Cargo) Multifrequency M (Cargo) ECM - Phase Inverter I (Cargo) Medium Beam Laser I (Cargo) Warp Scrambler I (Cargo) Microwave M (Cargo) Heavy Pulse Laser I (Cargo) Shielded Radar Backup Cluster I (Cargo) Dual-sheathed Adaptive Nano Plating I (Cargo) Explosion Dampening Field I (Cargo) Explosion Dampening Field I (Cargo) Small Nosferatu I (Cargo) Medium Pulse Laser I (Cargo) Warp Core Stabilizer I (Cargo) Small Energy Transfer Array I (Cargo) Invulnerability Field I Magnetic Scattering Amplifier I Initiated Warp Jammer I (Cargo) Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile, Qty: 23 Thunderbolt Heavy Missile, Qty: 22 Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile, Qty: 23 Havoc Heavy Missile, Qty: 23 He was even nice enough to have some faction gear there. Now remember how they were sitting and camping that lone Myrm with 8 people and calling us cowards for not engaging? [ 2007.08.26 05:37:37 ] Cosmic Distortion > well, lemme see... one Drake against how many BS? How sad does that make you look? A good Mrym should have had me on her own That's the Interdictor pilot's alt saying that in local. So once again, we're not allowed to use brute force, we are supposed to scale our engagements to make it at least somewhat fair for them. So if I see them in a Mega and I am in a cruiser I should rightfully engage, but if they see me in a Domi and they're in a BC, then I need to dock and jump into a BC or smaller and engage only if it's 1vs1 or if they have the numerical advantage. So here I am in Lower Debyl and they all dock up the second I jump in. I am all alone in my Myrm and no one would come and play..... So all these people here and in an alliance no less. What's the whole point of even joining an alliance? [ 2007.08.26 00:24:06 ] chaphawk > what up with this allance? [ 2007.08.26 00:24:45 ] DeathWalker02 > its so we can kick traps asses Hahahaha. Yeah, that's working wonders for em. No one wants to undock and play. Now if I was them I could say stuff like they do..... [ 2007.08.29 21:51:24 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > But you're corp doesn't exactly fight honorably [ 2007.08.29 21:51:47 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > Well, some would call it tactics [ 2007.08.29 21:52:04 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > But one of my guys engaged a Myrm 1v1 the other day, and he neeed a gank fleet to beat it :) [ 2007.08.29 21:52:15 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > Again, tactics I guess, but seems cowardly from my point of view [ 2007.08.29 21:52:26 ] Tombozo > Says the guy hunting 4v1 =P So how is TRAPS not fighting honorably? We've never once dishonored a 1vs1. We don't cheat. We have never done a login trap. We've never logoffski'd. So what exactly is so dishonorable about how we fight? So he not only smacktalks, he flat out lies. I guess they went around asking other mercs and stuff to dec us and the quotes they got were quite spendy, over twice our initial surrender fee offer. Seems that there are some corps out there who know the scoop and feel TRAPS is on the right side of the law this time. [ 2007.08.28 23:16:21 ] Dukkai > but, it seems most of the people side with traps... [ 2007.08.28 23:17:06 ] Dukkai > and, wtf is ryoukoboy still in corp? he should have been kicked a long time ago... Hehe, they still haven't kicked the original thief and smacktalker. Yep, they take stealing and smacktalking quite seriously. Another time he had a 4 man gang hunting one of my guys. My guy decides to ask him why did he bother taking in EMP since it's cost his alliance more than it's cost EMP. [ 2007.08.29 22:00:47 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > Our industrialists are taking the losses, and that doesnt matter to me. Ah so it doesn't matter that the industry people take losses. [ 2007.08.29 22:02:11 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > I personally have no interest in EMP industries, but then again I believe what you're doing is wrong. So once again, he takes the high and mighty road here. Defending the damsel in distress, how chivalrous. Keep this in mind as we go along. He is all about doing "what's right" and defending the underdogs. I wasn't aware that a 180 man low sec based corp with a large POS was an underdog in a fight against a 26 man corp of barely 1 year old players. I would think we're the underdogs, but apparently, I was wrong. [ 2007.08.29 22:06:34 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > I believed your intent was to extort them for money :) And as my PVPers were bored with industrial life, I decided to help um out :) I've always been one for the underdogs in any fight. Uh ok. [ 2007.08.29 22:11:52 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > I don't care if every industrilist loses their barges. As long as I'm alright, and as long as my corp, and the alliance combat pilots keep trying, I'll be happy. So as long as him and his corp are happy, all is cool. I say just his corp because they seem to have most of the PvP-centric people. Though they did have a corp called The Space Borderline join them. We had dec'd them a while ago and they paid a surrender fee to have us leave em alone. Now they're back and putting up a nice fight. Good tactics and only one instance of smack talk. Good people there. Shame they're under his alliance, as I suspect he's just using them to bolster his PvP wing. [ 2007.08.29 22:13:43 ] Tombozo > So then why do you have industrialists in your alliance? [ 2007.08.29 22:13:46 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > I have little sympathy :) [ 2007.08.29 22:14:05 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > I don't know, in truth :) If thye leave, they leave :) [ 2007.08.29 22:16:38 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > It's a dictatoship, and as long as I'm alright, we'll fight. I am truly amazed people stay in this alliance with his attitude. He basically doesn't seem to really care about anyone but his closest friends. I mean the sad thing is, these corps have to pay fees to stay in this alliance. Insane. [ 2007.08.29 22:19:42 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > But they are the underdogs in this :) They need help. [ 2007.08.29 22:20:57 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > Aye,....... But like I said before,....... If I was to drop them, it'd make me look weak :) Keep that last line in mind as the story continues. Hehe. EMP is now realizing that the numbers game and the "great alliance shield" means absolutely nothing quite often. It's also a reminder to never underestimate your opponents.... [ 2007.08.29 04:08:22 ] Maven Draconis > problem is they are much better organized than even the alliance Now the war has been on for only a few days against Crimson and the corps are jumping ship. One of them sent a very nice note to the alliance citing the alliance's shortcomings.... 2007.08.29 22:20 It is with regret, that I inform you that Lonely Maple [LMPG] will be leaving CRMSN for now. As a corporation, we are not yet ready to operate in a consistent fashion to maximize survivability in the face of Alliance wars. There are things that we need to work on outside of CRMSN before I will be comfortable re-joining: 1. Corporate communication - READING emails & forums regularly 2. Defensive Empire strategy - operating in groups in defensible systems, intel for warning of hostiles 3. Defensive Ship strategy - ensuring mining/industrial ships are equipped with WCS 4. Offensive capabilities - building our PVP capable players & fleets (EW, speed, tacklers, etc.) We are an industrial mining corp, and have contract obligations to meet. Sitting in stations is not an option for us. Our losses to date although significant are easily recoverable with a week's work, if we leave now. 2007.08.29 22:20 Before I go, I'd like to provide some feedback for the CRMSN leadership to consider, especially in light of the fact that LMPG is not the only industrial based corp to apply for membership in CRMSN. Given the enjoyable mail limits imposed by CCP, I have placed my wordy response here (link works in-game): READ THE FULL STATEMENT HERE Thank you again for the opportunity and lessons learned. We enjoyed participating in PVP fleets, and are proud of our PVP losses and single assisted win :) Perhaps next time we'll do better to contribute to the kill side of the equation! Good luck in your endeavours. -Bart CEO & Founder, LMPG More are to follow their lead.... 6 corps gone out of 17 in barely over a week. One of the things I laughed at was one of my corpmates said, "Man imagine you spend 1 billion ISK to make an alliance and every night you have 6 people on." Now at this point, I decide to put in war dec votes for the corps that jumped ship, starting with the Lonely Maple guys. [ 2007.08.30 13:43:56 ] Bartholomew Pacificus > evemail me when you write the story, i'm always reading on eve-pirate.com [ 2007.08.30 13:44:09 ] Nexa Necis > you any of my prev stories? [ 2007.08.30 13:45:04 ] Bartholomew Pacificus > yep :) [ 2007.08.30 13:45:05 ] Nexa Necis > you read* [ 2007.08.30 13:45:09 ] Nexa Necis > k ;) [ 2007.08.30 13:49:22 ] Bartholomew Pacificus > anything else i can help you with? [ 2007.08.30 13:50:28 ] Nexa Necis > nah we'll see ya soon though Option [1] (your vote), Declare War Against Lonely Maple Prospecting Group Their CEO wasn't pleased but at least he was a fan of my stories. So I let him know that a surrender can be negotiated to avoid hostilities. [ 2007.08.30 13:53:35 ] Nexa Necis > surrender offer. just like i offered him. he refused, EMP refused, we dont mind. [ 2007.08.30 13:53:54 ] Bartholomew Pacificus > what surrender offer, i never heard of it [ 2007.08.30 13:54:03 ] Nexa Necis > ????!!! [ 2007.08.30 13:54:20 ] Nexa Necis > you're the ceo right? [ 2007.08.30 13:54:35 ] Bartholomew Pacificus > yes [ 2007.08.30 13:54:44 ] Bartholomew Pacificus > i had assumed that's why were talking :) [ 2007.08.30 13:55:19 ] Nexa Necis > while you were in the alliance [ 2007.08.30 13:55:34 ] Nexa Necis > did Tiger consult you about letting in EMP with 2 active wars on it? [ 2007.08.30 13:55:55 ] Bartholomew Pacificus > nope [ 2007.08.30 13:56:00 ] Nexa Necis > ouch [ 2007.08.30 13:56:07 ] Bartholomew Pacificus > we were told before we joined, that they had no empire wars going on So not only does he not care about his alliance, he once again lies to them. Now, you might say this guy Barth is making stuff up. To be honest, I don't think so. He is a good player and definitely a good CEO. I am not saying that because they paid a surrender fee either. I say that because his guys were always fielding ships against us, they never smacktalked, and they always gave a good fight. I read their website and I read his open letter to Crimson and you can tell he's a player of substance. I sent similar letters to the other corps that left.... [ 2007.08.31 14:09:38 ] Dreamzane > So, you will not war-dec us? [ 2007.08.31 14:10:44 ] Nexa Necis > we are war decing you [ 2007.08.31 14:10:45 ] Nexa Necis > Option [1] (your vote), Declare War Against Relaxed Creations [ 2007.08.31 14:10:52 ] Nexa Necis > unless you want to negotiate your own surrender [ 2007.08.31 14:10:57 ] Dreamzane > I got their CEO on the line right now. Is 2 million sufficient Hehe, his small fee was a misunderstanding. Someone told him it cost 2mil a week to dec them and he thought I would let them off the hook for 2mil. Several of those corps paid. The ones that didn't will be getting a visit in the very near future. The irony of this is that all of those corps paying us, basically helped pay for another month of war against Crimson! Oh the irony! Lots of funny stuff going on so far. Tiger tries to sooth the rest of the alliance... 2007.08.31 10:32 To all corps with no intention of fighting, Effectively immediately, am requesting all none combat corps to leave CRMSN, for the duration of this war, or wars..... We don't want high sec losses to miners etc, and I will continue to fight these wars until the WTs get bored, or run outta money (costing um 1.6 billion collectively). Repo presents a serious threat to us, unlike the cowardly TRAPS, or weak 'Enough is Enough' boys. Everyone get safe, or mobilise near Thakala (either in, which Repo can jump their caps into, or Lower Debyl, which they have to use dog fighting ships). Once Repo goes active, we'll need to step this up a gear! We don't need to be spread out now.... Oh, and we have an alt in a noob corp that has a freighter. This freigther can move all items through high sec, without risk. Do not think of using haulers with your mains! Contact me, and I'll sort the moving/logistics for the freighter. Tiger Once again, how are we so cowardly? Am I missing something here? They did fear the REPO guys though as they got a short but swift ass kicking during REPO's involvement. Unfortunately REPO had prior contracts to fill and because all those corps were leaving Crimson it basically shows as a separate war and fills up your war dec slots so they had their contractual timetables interfered with and had to stop the war. As far as Tiger saying it's costing 1.6bil to keep the war on, I am not sure where he gets his figures from. It's cost us 16mil for the first 2 weeks. Lucky for us, EMP joined on the about the 1st day of the new week of war and I had just paid the 8mil fee for the next week as well. The 2nd week was 200mil. The 3rd was 150mil, and the 4th was 50mil. It will now be 100mil a week while we keep at least 1 other war slot active. So you can see we're not fighting for money. Tiger will never pay a surrender fee and we've got cash to cover the fees for eternity, so we're just here to cause some damage and inconvenience players. One funny encounter I had with a oooh shiny guy was him lamenting the fact I wasn't undocking. I had been afk a lot and not really able to play as much. With that last patch, I started getting all kinds of odd graphic anomalies, slow downs, and crashing. Look at what happened to my Domi..... Gay Pride Domi FTW!!!! So I could log in but playing pvp was risky because of the comp problems. So I was pretty much semi-playing on the alts making ISK in between trying different vid card drivers and BIOS combos. I think I got it fixed though I hope. Anyways, this guy was blabbing on and on in local about me being AFK, insinuating I only AFK when they're around. I said well I hate to disappoint but I am going to head to dinner and go AFK again. They have several people in the system and there are several Crimson in the system and surrounding areas and we had 3 people on, and the other 2 were AFK as well. Of course, the smacktalk begins.... [ 2007.09.02 00:00:45 ] false persona > is there a certain ship, i should be using? to atleast make it worth your time? it will be a while before i get a gang that wants to fight... i don't mind losing if i can atleast get one of you.. [ 2007.09.02 00:01:09 ] Nexa Necis > i prefer a freighter/hauler filled with faction gear and bpos [ 2007.09.02 00:01:14 ] Nexa Necis > those give me the most trouble [ 2007.09.02 00:01:17 ] false persona > lol' [ 2007.09.02 00:01:58 ] Unbridled Hate > yeah, but you're in a corp of pansys Nexa [ 2007.09.02 00:03:35 ] Nexa Necis > yes, a corp with maybe 10 active members, most barely 1yr old, fighting 2 alliances with 1000 targets, sounds quite pansyish to me too. [ 2007.09.02 00:04:10 ] Nexa Necis > maybe one day ill join a pvp alliance with 500+ members and hunt a 10 man corp [ 2007.09.02 00:04:17 ] Unbridled Hate > well, when 4 of your guys dock when 1 of ours comes into local.. sounds a little pansy-ish to me [ 2007.09.02 00:04:31 ] Nexa Necis > THEN i will be brave [ 2007.09.02 00:04:38 ] Nexa Necis > keep in mind we have several other wars [ 2007.09.02 00:04:44 ] Unbridled Hate > and as I've heard it, you guys dec'd an industrial alliance.. lol So now Crimson is an industrial alliance? [ 2007.09.02 00:06:27 ] eX0rc1st > why is TMPL talkin smack anyways? [ 2007.09.02 00:06:39 ] Nexa Necis > dunno [ 2007.09.02 00:06:39 ] Unbridled Hate > because Nexa doesn't undock.. [ 2007.09.02 00:06:41 ] eX0rc1st > isnt this the 5th alliance in a year for them? [ 2007.09.02 00:06:46 ] Unbridled Hate > neither does 90% of his corp [ 2007.09.02 00:07:00 ] Nexa Necis > poor you [ 2007.09.02 00:07:06 ] Unbridled Hate > nope.. [ 2007.09.02 00:07:08 ] Nexa Necis > yep [ 2007.09.02 00:07:10 ] eX0rc1st > did you ever hear of the thing called AFK? [ 2007.09.02 00:07:21 ] Unbridled Hate > lol.. [ 2007.09.02 00:07:26 ] Nexa Necis > im not allowed to afk [ 2007.09.02 00:08:04 ] Unbridled Hate > and according to some of your corp mates, you're always AFK [ 2007.09.02 00:08:11 ] Nexa Necis > yes [ 2007.09.02 00:08:19 ] Nexa Necis > i have RL responsibilities [ 2007.09.02 00:08:24 ] Unbridled Hate > so do I.. [ 2007.09.02 00:08:25 ] Nexa Necis > am i not allowed to have those either now? [ 2007.09.02 00:08:29 ] Nexa Necis > ah i got it now [ 2007.09.02 00:08:42 ] Unbridled Hate > he was afk about 4 hours ago [ 2007.09.02 00:08:55 ] Nexa Necis > you're better than me because you dec small corps, i dec large corps, you can manage eve time better than i can, you have less WT than i do. got ya [ 2007.09.02 00:10:49 ] Nexa Necis > guess what? [ 2007.09.02 00:10:54 ] Nexa Necis > afk again! time for dinner [ 2007.09.02 00:11:00 ] Nexa Necis > i fail [ 2007.09.02 00:11:04 ] Unbridled Hate > lol [ 2007.09.02 00:11:38 ] Unbridled Hate > I dunno.. but I think his mom just grounded him for being on the computer too much I try to be a bit more humorous about it.... [ 2007.09.02 00:12:27 ] Nexa Necis > this is nexa's mother typing, leave my daughter alone you mr nasty man!!! [ 2007.09.02 00:12:33 ] Nexa Necis > mom stop! [ 2007.09.02 00:12:37 ] Unbridled Hate > lol [ 2007.09.02 00:12:47 ] Gamer4liff > lol =) [ 2007.09.02 00:12:48 ] Nexa Necis > you get your hiney downstairs and set the table missy! [ 2007.09.02 00:12:51 ] Nexa Necis > aw mom! [ 2007.09.02 00:12:52 ] Unbridled Hate > is your mom hot? [ 2007.09.02 00:12:57 ] Compleeter > lol [ 2007.09.02 00:13:00 ] Nexa Necis > my dad thinks so He keeps making smart ass comments.... [ 2007.09.02 00:13:16 ] Nexa Necis > afk for realz y0 [ 2007.09.02 00:13:20 ] Nexa Necis > peace 0ut [ 2007.09.02 00:13:22 ] Unbridled Hate > lol [ 2007.09.02 00:13:36 ] Unbridled Hate > such a waste of an experienced player that one So I really did have to go eat dinner. I decided to do something funny. I took a funny pic and evemailed it to him. Crimson however is still claiming we pick on weak targets and such. Seriously, keep their comments in mind as this story proceeds. I mean who wouldn't kill a hauler or mining barge given the chance? Sure as hell ain't me. One of Crimson posts..... Cause in actual fact, you are just like a majority of big mouthed pirates in eve and like them you talk big but you fail to show enough action to back up your talk, i don't see you coming out of your hole to attack anyone apart from haulers and the occational stragler in a industrial corp. Ah so I only attack haulers and miners? Hmmm.... Funny looks like I am fighting a Cyclone 1 vs 1. Granted he was mission fitted, however, this is not my fault. I cannot force these people to fit for PvP. If they're foolish enough to run around missioning and not ready to PvP, then really, they should expect to die. Of course some people hold no confidence in their alliance or corpmates and are relegated to sitting in a station all day long. Looks like they picked the wrong alliance to roll with. Their CEO isn't happy either.... I love how Tiger claims we couldn't kill his cruiser. He leaves out several details..... Secondly; Not that we're not trying, but you hug stations and gates so tightly, that the concept of an actual fight is beyond you. Took 5 of you to face me (on my own earlier), and you still couldn't kill my cruiser. Yes, a cruiser being attacked by a Malediction, Megathron, Domi, Hurricane, Myrmidon... And you belittle our ability? The funny thing he doesn't mention is he was in a nano-Curse. He also fails to mention that they had a Harbinger, Domi, his Curse, and 3 other people in system. The Harbinger was on the other side, not realizing we were watching and waiting.... So I engage the Harbi once he jumps over, the Domi jumps in on me, and then Tiger in his Curse. They had 3 other pilots in the system. They were in frigs, but they are based in TMP and they did have access to larger ships but chose not to field them and not to engage at all. So since we killed the rig-fitted Harbi, the Domi ran, Tiger ran, 3 others refused to engage, that makes us suck? Just because he MWD'd out of range and was 250k away and sat and smack talked? [ 2007.09.08 15:42:16 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > Pityful [ 2007.09.08 15:42:21 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > Need 5 of ya, and ya still usless [ 2007.09.08 15:42:35 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > Write that up on Eve pirate, and I quote :) [ 2007.09.08 15:44:50 ] Dianeces > Oh, hey look at that. TRAPS kills for the day: Curse, Harbinger. Crimson kills: Malediction. Yep we're sure useless all right. [ 2007.09.08 15:45:26 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > lol, yeah :) I'm still alive, and yet you only prey on soft targets :) [ 2007.09.08 15:45:28 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > Good job :) [ 2007.09.08 15:45:40 ] Abby Lane > hey how many dicks did you suck today: Still counting [ 2007.09.08 15:46:01 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > One or two :) [ 2007.09.08 15:48:03 ] Tigerfish Torpedo > Well, I'm off. Although 5v1 is usual for you, I can't sit and babysit all day :) Once again the accusation of we only prey on soft targets. Hmm...have you taken a look at Crimson's killboard? I see plenty of hauler gate camp kills. Not that there is anything wrong with that at all. I would never criticize someone for doing that. However, if someone is spouting off constantly that TRAPS sucks because we "stoop so low" as to kill industry targets, then you look at their killboard and see that the majority of their kills are ratters and indy ships. I don't know about you, but most of the ratters in low sec are not set up for PvP and jumping on them with 4 or 5 corpmates and killing them is no real accomplishment. Add to the fact they're fighting in their "protected" area of low sec, meaning they have plenty of backup from Sylph and friends. We keep hunting down people and picking them off. This guy decides it would be a good idea to bust out a Maelstrom for some mission running action. I love that these guys fly such pricey ships and are willing to die repeatedly instead of paying up a 250mil surrender offer. Speaking of Maelstroms, the EMP guy who so kindly ejected from his Megathron for us is now using his backup Maelstrom to run some missions. He is quite confident it's up to the task, and even up to face one of our roaming gank squads. He brags about how badass of a tank he has. Let's see just how good that tank of his is. Hmm, this was truly a rare spectacle. Bad luck for him that we fielded our largest gang ever I think. 7 people! Let's see what he thinks about his experience. I thought it was funny that 30 minutes after his "they can't take out my tank, muahahaha!" comment his ship was a torn and twisted skeleton floating in space. Now you might say, "See! I knew TRAPS we're a bunch of blobbing motherfuckers!!!!!". Let's have a look at our member roster here. 23 players, 7 not on in about almost a month or more. That leaves 16 players. Take out the alts and the one person who quit after that pic was taken and you have about 12 players. if you look at our kills against Crimson and EMP, I think we have 10-12 people showing on killmails. Meaning, TRAPS has been working against this alliance with a 12 man crew, which is spread out all over the world meaning we don't have the same play times and can't field a large gang for the most part. I am not sure why all corps claim we only "blob" and never fight alone. I think if they repeat it over and over they start believing it, and that helps them cope with the losses and sleep better at night. Who knows? Want another example of how cowardly we are? One night they had 4 people in Amarr camping one of my guys while he was in a Hurricane. They had a Scorp and several cruisers and BC's. So I was in the area with my Domi and head over to help out. I warp in and the Scorp pilot and a Myrm I think it was, I can't recall which, both dock immediately. Mind you there are 4 of em in system. What do they do? Immediately start smacktalking. She is criticizing him for not fighting her Scorpion in his Hurricane 1vs1, yet when I appeared on the scene, she had that BC pilot there too closing in on my guy. I don't get it really. She claims all the other people are AFK which we know is bullshit. [ 2007.09.06 04:26:55 ] Entyce > anyone near amarr? [ 2007.09.06 04:27:12 ] Entyce > got a 3 man gang.... 2 wts at my station [ 2007.09.06 04:27:41 ] Entyce > Domi and a cane [ 2007.09.06 04:27:55 ] jlangerud > no sorry, im 15 jumps away [ 2007.09.06 04:28:06 ] jlangerud > and i dont have anything that can go against that [ 2007.09.06 04:28:16 ] Entyce > the cane isa noob pilot [ 2007.09.06 04:30:47 ] jlangerud > well piracy is not for me i think i will stick to carebear stuff [ 2007.09.06 04:30:57 ] Maxemus Payne > they are WTS jlangerud [ 2007.09.06 04:31:04 ] Maxemus Payne > u wanted to pirate with me earlier today! [ 2007.09.06 04:31:11 ] jlangerud > no i tried piracy [ 2007.09.06 04:31:13 ] Entyce > jl... these are wt's [ 2007.09.06 04:31:22 ] Entyce > WAR TARGETS!! [ 2007.09.06 04:31:35 ] Entyce > jl are you a combat pilot or an industrialist? [ 2007.09.06 04:31:42 ] jlangerud > no i like attacking war targets So I sit outside the station as they gather up forces and run their mouths incessantly. [ 2007.09.06 04:34:47 ] Entyce > Nexa Necis domi pilot Lorzion cane pilot [ 2007.09.06 04:35:56 ] Entyce > becareful on your way jl... they might havea blob waiting She undocks in a shuttle to run intel and check every surrounding system 2 jumps out from Amarr. Let's see how long I've been sitting there. [ 2007.09.06 04:59:36 ] Entyce > checking systems for a blob I have now sat outside that fucking station 25 minutes. 15 of them alone because my Hurricane pilot had to leave. I mean you have 6 fucking people against a single Dominix. At what point is enough? Especially when you have a Scorpion fitted with Gallente racial jammers. That really should be a slam dunk kind of fight, right? If the shoe was on the other foot, we would've engaged 24 minutes ago. Not these guys. They love to talk more than fight. I mean she wouldn't shut up. I love how she accuses us of login traps. Honestly, I think they're a fair tactic, but we've never done one. It takes planning and a bit of setup. People would have to be in place and then log and we would have to know exactly who/what/when/where they would attack. Granted we have spies in the alliance, but this was a spur of the moment. Plus they should have a decent idea of who our regular players are and should have known we only had 3 people online at that time. The nice thing about them calling in the calvary, it shows us some of the members I didn't have in my address book. I like when they provide us with intel like that. Quite handy! As I am sitting there half asleep waiting for these cowards to attack my other 2 corpmates are following up on locator agent's directions to other victims. 2007.09.06 04:59 Victim: St0mP Alliance: The Crimson Federation Corp: A51 Destroyed: Drake System: Juunigaishi So they are 7 jumps away from me in Amarr. [ 2007.09.06 05:09:30 ] St0mP > i lost another ship [ 2007.09.06 05:09:35 ] Maxemus Payne > :-| At this point I have sat there nearly a hour! [ 2007.09.06 05:23:00 ] Entyce > wt ina domi camping us in Amarr [ 2007.09.06 05:23:13 ] Entyce > Nexa Necis Yep, TRAPS are cowardly alright. I only sat alone outside a station for well over an hour with 4 war targets there and let them build up to 7 war targets and bring alt scouts. I mean I could see if I had a Carrier or something, but it's a fucking Domi against 7 people and one in a EW Scorp fitted for Gallente. You can't get any better odds than that. Of course Crimson and especially UPAY are hardcore PvP'ers. Surely that should be enough. Surely they couldn't be afraid of my other 2 corpmates joining in their BC's. I mean a Domi, Hurricane and Myrm vs EW Scorp, Drake, Deimos, Thorax, Arbi, Caracal and another BC I believe is a fairly decent fight. I can guarantee TRAPS would've been all up in that one with the tables reversed. [ 2007.09.06 05:28:21 ] BlackRain McMillan > the problem with TRAPs is that they are all friends and they are all in comms with each other outside of eve... YES, they talk on the phone and rally the gang when they have something to shoot at [ 2007.09.06 05:29:08 ] Rev Russ > nexa is to easy of bait.... hell she can see the 3 of us docked I guess that could be a problem but any semi-intelligent people would have us listed in their address book so they can see how many of us are online. Even if 4 or 5 of us warped in, it would still be an even fight really. This is really bordering on complete cowardice yet they have the gall to call TRAPS a bunch of cowards. [ 2007.09.06 05:41:13 ] BION > so all thats left is TRAPS [ 2007.09.06 05:41:33 ] BION > where are we meeting and when will this be going down cuz i NEED REVENGE so bad its not funny [ 2007.09.06 05:41:46 ] BlackRain McMillan > yeah, and TRAPS just happens to be who is camping them in Amarr [ 2007.09.06 05:42:01 ] BION > lets take the pricks down [ 2007.09.06 05:42:10 ] Entyce > Nexa Necis in Amarr ina Domi One hour and 16 minutes and counting so far! [ 2007.09.06 05:43:49 ] Entyce > thats why Nexa is chilling at the undocking ramp [ 2007.09.06 05:43:58 ] Maxemus Payne > OMFG this guy wil NOT stop goign [ 2007.09.06 05:43:58 ] Entyce > she knows she is out numbered She says that but even when I start flying around to the gates to mess with them, they still sit docked. [ 2007.09.06 05:53:17 ] BlackRain McMillan > Bhiz is also clear at the moment, but an Ibis is on this gate sitting [ 2007.09.06 05:53:32 ] Entyce > rgr [ 2007.09.06 05:54:06 ] BlackRain McMillan > I don't trust this setup one bit, Ent [ 2007.09.06 05:54:20 ] Entyce > im not sure i do either [ 2007.09.06 05:54:32 ] Entyce > considering the fact that Nexa is just chilling there [ 2007.09.06 05:54:51 ] BION > dudes.....are they that smart???? [ 2007.09.06 05:54:58 ] BION > lets just gang up and face them Setup? I love all the conspiracy theories. I also love that they are doing the stuff they say we always do, which we obviously dont. [ 2007.09.06 05:56:27 ] Entyce > im trying to get her to talk, but shes not Why talk? Just fucking fight already. How dare they call us pussies! The vagina is on the other foot it seems and they are afraid now. One of their guys was AFK and now he's back and they should be ready to fight. [ 2007.09.06 06:06:12 ] Entyce > Dunt is back and he has a Deimos here Nope, not ready yet. 1 hour and 40 minutes elapsed! Can you believe this? Wait! It get's better! This next part takes the cake. They may have claimed the distinction of the biggest pussies in Eve with this one. Remember my two guys who popped the Drake? I told them to hide up a few systems away in Niarja. Worse comes to worse, I could redock and keep em busy while they head my way. Instead, the yellow stain of cowardice starts to flow from Crimson... [ 2007.09.06 06:03:35 ] BlackRain McMillan > however, I show two WTS in Amdonen.... [ 2007.09.06 06:03:36 ] Rev Russ > ditto here [ 2007.09.06 06:04:25 ] BlackRain McMillan > either way, I am sure these are not the only backup she has [ 2007.09.06 06:04:35 ] Entyce > i agree Rain [ 2007.09.06 06:04:46 ] Entyce > Amdo is only 2 jumps [ 2007.09.06 06:04:50 ] Entyce > just as we called it [ 2007.09.06 06:06:00 ] Entyce > any idea which wt's in amdo? [ 2007.09.06 06:06:46 ] BlackRain McMillan > Niron Werls ; M'ing Pai [ 2007.09.06 06:07:48 ] BlackRain McMillan > both are gone from local here in Amdonen.... The best part about it, 2 UPAY people fed false intel to their gang. I have no clue why. I really don't. I'm speechless on that one! [ 2007.09.06 06:05:09 ] Niron Werls > they called 2 war targets in amdonen [ 2007.09.06 06:07:04 ] Niron Werls > hes fucking lying [ 2007.09.06 06:07:06 ] Niron Werls > what a cocksucker [ 2007.09.06 06:07:12 ] Niron Werls > holy fucking shit [ 2007.09.06 06:07:29 ] Niron Werls > ming where are you right now? [ 2007.09.06 06:07:38 ] M'ing Pai > mad at the romi gate [ 2007.09.06 06:07:45 ] Niron Werls > he jkust called ming and i [ 2007.09.06 06:07:49 ] Niron Werls > in amdonen [ 2007.09.06 06:07:55 ] M'ing Pai > he's lying [ 2007.09.06 06:08:02 ] Niron Werls > we are moving [ 2007.09.06 06:08:08 ] Nexa Necis > who did? [ 2007.09.06 06:08:10 ] M'ing Pai > what a COWARD! [ 2007.09.06 06:08:18 ] Niron Werls > blackrain mcmillan [ 2007.09.06 06:08:26 ] Niron Werls > said hes alt say ming and i in amdonen So at this point I start warping around to see if I can draw them out. Nothing is working. [ 2007.09.06 06:13:27 ] BlackRain McMillan > Nexa is no longer at the station.... she warped to gate [ 2007.09.06 06:14:47 ] Entyce > nexa still in amarr [ 2007.09.06 06:14:49 ] BION > no one in local [ 2007.09.06 06:14:54 ] BION > but i dont wanna jump Mommy save me! Me no want to jump!! [ 2007.09.06 06:18:08 ] BION > well...i wonder what led her to jump to the gate the same moment i was about to make the jump>????? ROFL! The best part is the person feeding the intel is part of Tiger's alliance, not in EMP! I couldn't stop laughing when I read this one. They decide to call it a night without a single shot fired in over 2 hours of me camping them having 4-7 people in system. [ 2007.09.06 06:30:16 ] Entyce > thank you all for showing up... it means a lot to see CRMSN pulling together HAHAHA! HAHAHA! Ahem. Sorry. Allow me to translate for those who don't speak carebearish. [ 2007.09.06 06:30:16 ] Entyce > Dang guys! We almost had them! They almost blobbed us. We almost died. But, we didn't die! As you know, this means we are victorious! Even though we sat here for over 2 hours with a numerical advantage against our enemies, we were able to exercise our restraint and not engage. I mean, that's what TRAPS wants. Since we didn't do what they wanted, we win again. SCORE TWO VICTORIES FOR CRIMSON! HIP HIP HOORAH!!! Fortunately some of the Crimson gang is active and willing to fight. The Space Borderline were bringing out some gangs against us and scored some good kills, all sans smack talk. However as time wears on, they start to show frustration when they lose a ship. We had the Space Borderline CEO camped a few systems out of TMP. My guys had a Taranis and another frig sized ship. The Taranis pilot starts goofing around and gets killed by her Domi. So my guys leave and she thinks we're beaten and retreated to lick our wounds.... [ 2007.09.09 21:20:38 ] Chloe Escalante > party over? So we wait for her to make her move. Unfortunately some of my guys have never watched Top Gun and don't remember the rule, "Never leave your wingman" and they decide to go off and look for others without me telling them to do so. So as a result Chloe's Dominix jumps into Anjedin and is faced with a lone Myrm. I was on the other gate out of the system since we weren't sure which way she would head. So it took a few mins to get there and help. Our Myrm pilot was able to tank her easily and we dispatched her with no losses. Let's start the complaining! [ 2007.09.09 21:39:38 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Anjedin Local Channel [ 2007.09.09 21:42:21 ] Nexa Necis > gf [ 2007.09.09 21:42:53 ] Dianeces > gf [ 2007.09.09 21:43:03 ] Chloe Escalante > gf guys:) [ 2007.09.09 21:43:10 ] Chloe Escalante > blob is here:) [ 2007.09.09 21:43:13 ] Chloe Escalante > i knew it [ 2007.09.09 21:43:17 ] Chloe Escalante > i just wanted to try [ 2007.09.09 21:43:28 ] Dianeces > C'mon now, this is far from a blob. [ 2007.09.09 21:43:35 ] Chloe Escalante > lol [ 2007.09.09 21:43:36 ] MrsFurbie > lol [ 2007.09.09 21:43:41 ] Chloe Escalante > if you say so [ 2007.09.09 21:43:44 ] MrsFurbie > carebear tactic [ 2007.09.09 21:43:46 ] Chloe Escalante > 4v1 [ 2007.09.09 21:46:32 ] Nexa Necis > gf and leave it at that Again, how fucking lame is it to complain your BS was killed by 3 BC? That's a blob? If 3 vs 1 is a blob, then what do they call it when almost every kill for them against TRAPS is 5-6 vs 1? I mean they're bringing 2 BS, BC, and 2 AF's to kill a Myrm. 5 vs 1 and overkill at that. Which is totally fine. I have no issues with that. The only issue I have is that they are so fucking hypocritical about it. They get to do it and it's a good and fair fight. We do it, and it's lame/weak. This alliance is absolutely overflowing with hypocrasy. I am sure you remember reading Tigerfish saying they are doing the "gallant" thing protecting EMP and how much better they are and how they never pick on defenseless targets and are hard corp PvP'ers. One more example you can add to the bullshit list is the fact that their alliance goes around stealing ore and can baiting people in high sec. Again, do not get me wrong. I do not judge anyone who choses to play the game that way. Hell, we do plenty of it and have a damn good time doing it. What I take issue with is Tiger claiming his alliance is so "high brow" and so far above the masses when it comes to target selection and play style. You can't sit there and smack talk people and call them all sorts of names when you are doing the exact same thing and actually doing it as your primary source of pvp action no less. One look at their killboard and it's extremely evident they pick on lone targets without discrimination. Most of them not PvP inclined and most not expecting to be attacked. You can't sit there and tell me you're better than me or better than my corp. I mean look at the advice he gives... Wouldn't that be coward-speak? Don't risk anything? Isn't he always telling me our corp never takes risks? Everyone chooses to play the game the way they see fit. I can't argue with that. I don't begrudge anyone's style of play. I may find it boring, I may find it lame, but these people are paying money to play their way, not mine. So I don't sit there and say that we're any better than the next guy. What I do say is that we are civil, sportsmanlike, honest and have integrity. Lot's of people laugh at that because they say you cannot embody any of those attributes and be a pirate at the same time. I am a firm believer that you can and that's we do. Click here to continue to Part Three!